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Old 06-26-2013, 09:55 PM
 
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It is time to state the obvious here. We are getting a subset of upwardly mobile Africans.

Let's put it this was, if you were super rich, you don't need to leave home for better opportunity. Life is pretty good for you.

If you are super poor, it will take you 100 years to save up for the ride to the US. This leaves you with people who are middle to upper middle class who share the opportunities and experience that other middle class people do. They are well equipped to succeed, because we are getting the best and the brightest.


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You all but said that racism ain't the real reason that some Black people fail in the US, it's hood rat "culture". Too; more and more of the Black ladies in 2013 are talking proper, dressing well and taking care of business. Good quality American Black men are in real HIGH demand too for many reasons so they can pick and choose in life.
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Old 06-26-2013, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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I know everyone loves vouchers. They may improve individual outcomes, but they don't help systemic ones. My city has de facto vouchers. Public schools under about grade 6 are pretty good (scholastically) and popular with local parents. School demographics reflect the neighbor communities, and scores have been increasing significantly year over year for the past 5 or so.

Once middle school hits, flight starts. Middle class (and up) parents either move to another district or send their kids to private school. Parents start looking into grants and everything else to fund private schools if they are committed to the city. Some of the parents are public school teachers in the district.

It is a well established fact that parents with means or resources exit the school district in middle school. As a result, the middle schools and high schools do not reflect the community at all. And they perform poorly. There is no balance at all, because the schools aren't diverse in terms of achievement/ability or anything. It is a very tough road.

On the other hand, we have tons of excellent private schools....

I guess only time will tell if the demographics will shift.
so because a flawed and corrupted system is failing and dying every individual.
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Old 06-26-2013, 09:57 PM
 
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That girl makes me mad. Her GPA was subpar, she needs to get over it. If she really wanted to go to UT, she should have worked harder in high school. She knew the requirements.


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Thank God we're seeing less and less of that loser attitude from girls like that in her world.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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You all but said that racism ain't the real reason that some Black people fail in the US, it's hood rat "culture". Too; more and more of the Black ladies in 2013 are talking proper, dressing well and taking care of business. Good quality American Black men are in real HIGH demand too for many reasons so they can pick and choose in life.
Well it depends. Where I live, there are loads of Africans. I get stereotyped as an African all the time. (You know because I went to college). In areas where there aren't any Africans, there isn't this stereotypes that Africans are "good" black people.

Stereotyping is stereotyping whether the traits are positive or negative.

But at the end of the day, if you saw me and the Nigerian lady on the street, we all look "black" to you and you are going to carry over whatever baggage you have with black people over to both of us.

We need to work on thinking of people of color as individuals, like we do with white people. No one white person is supposed to represent all white people.


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Old 06-27-2013, 09:40 AM
 
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OP: you have now uncovered which questions are not on the standardized tests. So apparently it is unnecessary to learn about these things.
Yup, imagine if a physician had no idea how to work with scientific notation, powers of 10, and SI units. They'd be giving you 10^3 more heparin than you'd need
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Old 06-27-2013, 02:19 PM
 
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Sounds like THAT person has failed to apply themselves......sounds like the PARENTS do not really give a **** about their kids education. If that student wants to be a doctor....wow, I hope she does not succeed!

Enough with the BS guilt-trip.....some kids don't care about a formal education.....they can be janitors or fast-food workers.

A belief structure like that is how we build upon income inequality until the uneducated masses tear down the structures and buildings of the minority.



It is obvious that education of students is the best interest of this economy, long term. And we fail kids by kindergarden, not 12th. We need required pre-k for all students and year-round classes
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Old 06-27-2013, 03:45 PM
 
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This is true and in my experience is the main difference. Having some culture to fall back on is key too.
With Africans coming here, having a culture to fall back on also comes from basically coming from one's own nation, and knowing where said persons come from. African immigrants,well, they come in different ethnicities and nation. Ghana, Cameroon, Kenya, Nigeria, Senegal, Tanzania, Ethiopia,etc. Different ethnicities such as the Akan, Ashanti, Wolof, Kikuyu, Luo, Ibo, Yoruba, etc. Most Black people don't even know which tribes they descend from, and basically, the culture is basically had to be created from scratch here in the USA, because everything was basically erased during slavery.
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Old 06-27-2013, 03:46 PM
 
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Sounds like THAT person has failed to apply themselves......sounds like the PARENTS do not really give a **** about their kids education. If that student wants to be a doctor....wow, I hope she does not succeed!

Enough with the BS guilt-trip.....some kids don't care about a formal education.....they can be janitors or fast-food workers.
Fast-food and janitorial jobs pay poorly.

And something else. It does not surprise me that you would wish bad things on people. Saying that you wish that student doesn't succeed, well, that shows the level of maturity that you have.
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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With Africans coming here, having a culture to fall back on also comes from basically coming from one's own nation, and knowing where said persons come from. African immigrants,well, they come in different ethnicities and nation. Ghana, Cameroon, Kenya, Nigeria, Senegal, Tanzania, Ethiopia,etc. Different ethnicities such as the Akan, Ashanti, Wolof, Kikuyu, Luo, Ibo, Yoruba, etc. Most Black people don't even know which tribes they descend from, and basically, the culture is basically had to be created from scratch here in the USA, because everything was basically erased during slavery.
Tho please remember that "hood rat" Black peoples' "culture" is pretty much "PWT" "culture" and things got MUCH worse in the hoods AFTER Jim Crow was ending. Maybe because many of the high quality Black people said the hell with the old Black neighborhoods and moved to where they wanted to live cutting off the leaders who could help out the down and outs. I'm guessing here.
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:52 PM
 
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That's what you think, but everyone is responsible for who gets elected, the educational policies they enact, and everyone pays teachers their salaries. Of course parental role is a major part of the problem, but kids suffer straight out of the womb when they don't have parents that care. How is that the kid's fault when they haven't had a chance since birth?

Parents don't care, teachers don't care, politicians don't care, nobody cares. The only time people care is when the failure this system produces eats away at tax payer dollars by continuing the cycle of poverty, welfare, failure, and crime. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure; these types of high risk kids need to be identified and dealt with starting in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd grade, not when they are in high school and somehow managed to make it all the way up to the 12th grade with 3rd grade math and science skills because every single teacher wanted to pass the buck to the next in order to get around No Child Left Behind.

You simply can't fix 10-12 years of damage in 1.5 months of a summer mentoring science program. How can anyone in America, which is supposed to be the greatest nation on Earth, be allowed to almost graduate high school while never taking physics or chemistry? Without even knowing the basic facts of how a cell works? With not knowing how to do scientific notation or basic SI unit conversions?
Progress baby! Move forward! Yes we can!
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