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Old 08-21-2013, 11:54 AM
 
Location: North America
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Did you read your own link? I have. There was no "fabricated evidence." What there was was poor intel, and lots of it. From your own link:

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What was this fabricated evidence, and who fabricated it? I guess you could say that Saddam fabricated the lie that he still had WMD via his 'deterrence through doubt' stratagem. Is that what you mean? I somehow doubt it--I suspect that would not at all comport with your preferred narrative.

Read the whole report, even up to the conclusions.

from page 52:

Administration officials systematically misrepresented the threat from Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological weapon programs and ballistic missile programs, beyond the intelligence failures noted above.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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False. Read post #301



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Nope, read the report. Just because you can't wrap your head around it doesn't make it false.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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Read the whole report, even up to the conclusions.

from page 52:

Administration officials systematically misrepresented the threat from Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological weapon programs and ballistic missile programs, beyond the intelligence failures noted above.
Carnegie Endowment For World Peace is a liberal anti-war think tank and not official at all. That's like accepting Code Pink's findings.

Read post #301. Independent government investigation called for and headed by Democrats. Also the British Butler report...same conclusion.

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Old 08-21-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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Yes it did. Bush & Co NEVER said that!
The US public just got the idea, unaided?

Actually, I will grant that Bush & Co. were very good at not saying it directly. They lost no time in implying that there was a vital link between Al Q and Saddam Hussein (there really wasn't), and they had no qualms bringing up 9/11 and Iraq in the same sentence - over and over again.

That being said, the US media probably carry the bigger responsibility for that misconception.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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Nope, read the report. Just becuse you can't wrap your head around it doesn't make it false.
You read the WRONG report!!

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Old 08-21-2013, 12:13 PM
 
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Carnegie Endowment is a liberal anti-war think tank and not official at all. That's like accepting Code Pink's findings.

Read post #301. Independent government investigation called for and headed by Democrats. Also the British Butler report...same conclusion.

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And there's the predictable response, right on time.

buh buh buh LIBERAL!!!!!
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:14 PM
 
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You read the WRONG report!!

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Nope, but go ahead and twist.

I like to see you guys "tapa" dance.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Read the whole report, even up to the conclusions.

from page 52:

Administration officials systematically misrepresented the threat from Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological weapon programs and ballistic missile programs, beyond the intelligence failures noted above.
But what are the specifics of what the report calls misrepresentation? One that I see is the idea that there was no evidence that Saddam would ever ally with AQ and possibly transfer WMD to them. But this was a matter of speculation to begin with, so it could not have been misrepresentation.

If I say 'I like the Chicago Bulls to win the NBA title in 2014,' is that a 'misrepresentation?' Not really. You can disagree with me. Maybe you think the Heat will repeat. But you can't accuse me of misrepresentation.

It was reasonable to worry about the possibility of a Saddam/AQ collaboration after 9/11. Saddam had many ties to terrorists. Abu Nidal did not retire to Iraq due to the balmy weather.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:32 PM
 
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But what are the specifics of what the report calls misrepresentation? One that I see is the idea that there was no evidence that Saddam would ever ally with AQ and possibly transfer WMD to them. But this was a matter of speculation to begin with, so it could not have been misrepresentation.

If I say 'I like the Chicago Bulls to win the NBA title in 2014,' is that a 'misrepresentation?' Not really. You can disagree with me. Maybe you think the Heat will repeat. But you can't accuse me of misrepresentation.

It was reasonable to worry about the possibility of a Saddam/AQ collaboration after 9/11. Saddam had many ties to terrorists. Abu Nidal did not retire to Iraq due to the balmy weather.

Saddam hated Bin Laden. He was Ba'athist. Read the report.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:34 PM
 
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The US public just got the idea, unaided?

Actually, I will grant that Bush & Co. were very good at not saying it directly. They lost no time in implying that there was a vital link between Al Q and Saddam Hussein (there really wasn't), and they had no qualms bringing up 9/11 and Iraq in the same sentence - over and over again.

That being said, the US media probably carry the bigger responsibility for that misconception.
Ummmm....even the Robb-Silbermann Report stated that Saddam and Al Qaeda
had ties & meetings. What they found was that they didn't have were "operational ties".

Saddam did harbor terrorists. They just didn't have anything to do with 911.

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