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I don't think it is so much looking for a boogeyman. I feel that stories regarding violence seem to capture people far more. Violence gets people's attention far more. As to why violence grabs a person's attention, that is another discussion.
And what criminal offenses are the ones that usually put black men behind bars? Drug offenses. What a colossal waste of lives and public resources. Not difficult to figure out what effect it has on blacks when so many black men are locked up for the better part of their most productive years for dope offenses.
Have you noticed that the right-wingers who are on here who are suddenly crowing about 4th and 5th Amendment rights have little to say about "stop and frisk" in NYC? See, they only care about such things when they think it will affect them. When it's those dirty Negroes or any of the myriad other groups they don't like, not only are some indifferent, many are fully behind trampling on their Constitutional freedoms.
Nope, I never noticed any conservative express concern over stop and frisk in NYC.
I suppose it's because they don't live there and the people who do live there won't completely eliminate the program because they don't want the crime.
This is often what I see. Whenever White people go on shooting rampages, such as what Elliot Rogers did this year, people try to go to the "he was mentally ill" or "he played too many video games". If Black people shoot and kill each other, no one asks why. It's chalked up to "that's Black people for you" or "they do this because Black people are defective of defficient, or something related to their race". It is the way people are viewed on the occasion they commit a crime that is an issue. If a White person commits a violent crime, it is looked at as "mental illness" or "someone made that person upset". Whenever a Black person commits a crime, everything about that person's race is brought up.
Nope, I never noticed any conservative express concern over stop and frisk in NYC.
I suppose it's because they don't live there and the people who do live there won't completely eliminate the program because they don't want the crime.
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They should bring stop-and-frisk to the East Side of St. Paul. I'd be totally fine with it and think it would be another step in the right direction to clean up the bad rubbish in the neighborhood.
This is often what I see. Whenever White people go on shooting rampages, such as what Elliot Rogers did this year, people try to go to the "he was mentally ill" or "he played too many video games". If Black people shoot and kill each other, no one asks why. It's chalked up to "that's Black people for you" or "they do this because Black people are defective of defficient, or something related to their race". It is the way people are viewed on the occasion they commit a crime that is an issue. If a White person commits a violent crime, it is looked at as "mental illness" or "someone made that person upset". Whenever a Black person commits a crime, everything about that person's race is brought up.
I don't know what you're talking about. Whenever a white person goes on a shooting rampage, it's usually some dude going in a mall, school, or other public place shooting strangers and leaving behind some written manifesto. Yeah, that's insane.
When a black person goes on a shooting rampage, it's usually gang violence. I think most people understand the latter and realize it's not insanity, but war. The lone shooter in a school or mall is very rare, though frightening and mind-boggling. The drive-by is somewhat common in certain neighborhoods. I don't blame black people or think black people are defective, but I do have to wonder why so many call for an end to stop-and-frisk or decriminalization of drugs and petty thefts when they're the ones benefiting from it.
I actually heard someone say the prison system is apartheid in America, as if there are a bunch of innocent people there. I do think there are problems with the judicial system, but I also don't want to see property theft being decriminalized or drugs other than marijuana being decriminalized. I think stop-and-frisk is probably unconstitutional, but I do not live in New York and I can actually understand why so many there like the program. New York City has less murders than smaller cities with half the population. I don't mean less per capita, but less total murders. That being said, I'd fight to get rid of it on constitutional grounds if I lived there. If I was a member of a group known to be disproportionately targeted, I'd probably refrain from walking around town with a gun or a joint.
They should bring stop-and-frisk to the East Side of St. Paul. I'd be totally fine with it and think it would be another step in the right direction to clean up the bad rubbish in the neighborhood.
I'm not you. The police aren't as likely to frisk you. If anything, it would be done to me. I am not fine with the police randomly stopping me and searching me. Why? This is my perspective. If I haven't broken any laws, if I haven't done anything suspicious, leave me alone.
I don't know what you're talking about. Whenever a white person goes on a shooting rampage, it's usually some dude going in a mall, school, or other public place shooting strangers and leaving behind some written manifesto. Yeah, that's insane.
When a black person goes on a shooting rampage, it's usually gang violence. I think most people understand the latter and realize it's not insanity, but war. The lone shooter in a school or mall is very rare, though frightening and mind-boggling. The drive-by is somewhat common in certain neighborhoods. I don't blame black people or think black people are defective, but I do have to wonder why so many call for an end to stop-and-frisk or decriminalization of drugs and petty thefts when they're the ones benefiting from it.
I actually heard someone say the prison system is apartheid in America, as if there are a bunch of innocent people there. I do think there are problems with the judicial system, but I also don't want to see property theft being decriminalized or drugs other than marijuana being decriminalized. I think stop-and-frisk is probably unconstitutional, but I do not live in New York and I can actually understand why so many there like the program. New York City has less murders than smaller cities with half the population. I don't mean less per capita, but less total murders. That being said, I'd fight to get rid of it on constitutional grounds if I lived there. If I was a member of a group known to be disproportionately targeted, I'd probably refrain from walking around town with a gun or a joint.
I never said you blamed violence from Black people on being Black. I wasn't talking about the way you see it. I was talking about a consensus. And the consensus I see is this. I see some people blaming race as the issue why many Blacks commit violence.
I've never been to New York City for myself. Honestly, this is the way I see the rationale behind stop and frisk. I see it as being willing to live under a police state. I don't see Blacks really benefiting from stop and frisk. The way I see it, many who support themselves being subjected to it, well, I can't quite figure that out. I would not support it because I know it would mean I am more likely to be stopped and frisked, as a Black man. I do agree with it being unconstitutional. I can guess the rationale behind someone who would support S and F, knowing they are the least likely to be stopped.
1) Fear
2) The feeling that some people shouldn't have their constitutional rights respected
3) Not being able to relate to those who are the most likely to be subjected to it.
One thing to consider about New York City is this. Guiliani went after some quality of life crimes, such as graffiti. NYC went through an overhaul. Alot of the worst elements of NYC left the city, and went to neighboring states such as New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Now there are crimes occurring out there. New York City is also more expensive than it used to be.
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I'm not you. The police aren't as likely to frisk you. If anything, it would be done to me. I am not fine with the police randomly stopping me and searching me. Why? This is my perspective. If I haven't broken any laws, if I haven't done anything suspicious, leave me alone.
I've been pulled over on the East Side because I "looked suspicious" before. And I'm sure if they brought in stop-and-frisk they would consider doing it to me as well.
I've been pulled over on the East Side because I "looked suspicious" before. And I'm sure if they brought in stop-and-frisk they would consider doing it to me as well.
Well, I am not going to be okay with it. As Benjamin Franklin once said. He who gives up essential liberties for temporary security will get neither. I'm not willing to give up anything. S and F is unconstitutional. Illegal search and seizure.
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