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Old 06-21-2014, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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Can you see a losing player at the world cup games whining. 'but, but they told me everyone is a winner, everyone gets a trophy'
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:05 PM
 
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Can you see a losing player at the world cup games whining. 'but, but they told me everyone is a winner, everyone gets a trophy'
You mean behaviour like this? ~

Team USA Hockey... Sore Losers? - CBS News
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I guess you missed that part about it being the norm in MOST "soccer rich" countries and endorsed by the sports brightest minds. So I guess it won't ever take hold in your retardville, eh?
Retardville? What an offensive post. So you really hate mentally challenged people?

Maybe it's the "brightest minds in soccer" who are mentally challenged.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:30 PM
 
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Basically, because score doesn't really matter when you are 10 years old. Don't need any more little league coaches abusing 9 year old children like they are amatuer pro athletes.

It would be a bit weird not having score.. but at that age.. no one really cared. Sports were to be active. Real "winning" didn't matter until pre-teen years or so.
Maybe for you, but most of us wanted to win the first day we played a sport. Wanting to win is a very healthy attitude.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Exactly -- the post you quote being a perfect example.

I played youth soccer starting at age 8. And you better believe the score was important to us. We weren't there just to faff around on a field -- we could have done that anywhere. We were there to try to beat the other team. And it didn't take adults to "push" that competitive drive on us. We already had it; that's why we got involved in organized sports in the first place.
Exactly. Wanting to win is a normal, healthy attitude.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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There was a recent study that seemed to show that kids who participate in leagues that don't keep score were more likely to quit or cheat when faced with adversity than kids in leagues that do keep score.

If everyone gets a trophy, then trophies lose all meaning and value.

If goals don't count and everybody wins, the value of effort is diminished as the end result of a "tie" is guaranteed whether you expel great or little effort.

In all aspects of life you win some and you lose some. Everyone loses and fails from time to time. The important thing is to learn from your losses and failures to grow. You can't grow as much if you are insulated from all failures.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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It's not the kid's behavior that's the problem or that's being changed. It's the coach's desire to win that's clouding the issue. Canada hasn't been in a world cup since I was 7 years old. What we've been doing isn't working, so it's time to try a change.
How about focusing on hockey.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:53 PM
 
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Can you see a losing player at the world cup games whining. 'but, but they told me everyone is a winner, everyone gets a trophy'
Good post. Maybe they shouldn't keep score at the World Cup. We wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings.
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:21 PM
 
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There was a recent study that seemed to show that kids who participate in leagues that don't keep score were more likely to quit or cheat when faced with adversity than kids in leagues that do keep score.

If everyone gets a trophy, then trophies lose all meaning and value.

If goals don't count and everybody wins, the value of effort is diminished as the end result of a "tie" is guaranteed whether you expel great or little effort.

In all aspects of life you win some and you lose some. Everyone loses and fails from time to time. The important thing is to learn from your losses and failures to grow. You can't grow as much if you are insulated from all failures.
A recent study of every soccer player in the world showed that kids in score-keeping leagues grow up to be terrible at soccer.
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Old 06-22-2014, 12:30 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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Realize this is an old post, but had to respond as a coach, referee, player, and soccer convenor - who wants to cheer for Canada in a world cup again before I die.

It's not about the kids not knowing who's winning. It's about parent coach's not feeling the need to win by putting the fat kid in the net everytime, telling the weak kids to get out of the way to let big jimmy get it, and to not just kick the ball from far out to score while the nets are big and the goalies are small. That approach only serves to marginalize the weaker kids and encourage them to quit, and get the stronger kids to learn the same technique over and over - that lasts until about 14 when they meet kids from other countries that do encourage skills development and they crush our kids.

So yeah, the kid's know the score during the game. It's not a secret, that's not the point. It's not PC, unless you think it's PC to keep doing what we're doing, which isn't working.
Keeping score has worked since the beginning of mankind.
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