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Not recording score and standings is not the same as trying to keep kid's from keeping score.
Would you have had less fun if standings if weren't kept? Would you really have thought that goals were stupid? Probably not. But maybe your coach's would play more creatively, and instead of most of you coming back, all of your team would have.
Rather than play the 'this is how I did it, and I turned out fine' game let's look at some truths. Registration in youth soccer peaks at the youngest ages, and then goes out as it gets older. Youth soccer is like a pyramid - lots of players until about age 11, and then it dies off rapidly. Why not make some changes to avoid that?
Canada has a huge number of youth soccer players, more than hockey.. yet very few native born professionals play the game. Even the MLS teams in Canada are something like 10% Canadian; can you imagine the Leaf's with 10% Canadian players? Why not try to change that? The main point is, what we've been doing isn't working, so change it. I truly don't understand the resistance to changing what so clearly isn't working.
Sources: According to data compiled by the blog Out of Touch, the Impact played Canadians for just 2,239 minutes in 2012. That represents just 6.49 percent of total minutes played. Vancouver was even worse. Much worse, actually. The Caps used Canadians for just 132 minutes last season, a pathetic 0.34 percent of total minutes. Even Toronto, which was by far the team most likely to use Canadians, came in at just 25.5 percent.
Soccer was always popular for children because it's cheap to play & tires them out from all the running. Then kids would focus on their "real" sport.
Things are changing somewhat in this regard due to the access kids now have to pro soccer via the internet & TV, but soccer never made any sense for North Americans athletes until now. Italy, England & Spain were a long, long way away for a kid from Manitoba or Minnesota. None of the new generation of soccer fans would have been fans 20 years ago because no one had access. There was no internet or TV coverage. Hockey however, was/is tangible. Baseball was/is also tangible. Kids could identify with guys from their home areas playing pro, guys that looked & talked like them, that they saw on local TV & who were getting paid much, much more than guys playing pro soccer in their city.
A recent study of every soccer player in the world showed that kids in score-keeping leagues grow up to be terrible at soccer.
Except, I am telling the truth and you aren't. I couldn't find the same article, but the NY Times picked up the study and talked about it.
The problem with keeping scores is coaches and parents placing too much emphasis on the score and winning.
Not keeping score makes kids more likely to quit or cheat when faced with adversity. Why try your hardest all the time if it literally makes no difference as there is no score?
99.999% of all kids grow up to be terrible at soccer. No study needed.
You probably think this because you live in a country like the US or Canada where that is true. If you've ever played soccer with a mixed-nationality group, even a layman can quickly pick out the players from other countries by how much better they are at soccer.
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Except, I am telling the truth and you aren't. I couldn't find the same article, but the NY Times picked up the study and talked about it.
The problem with keeping scores is coaches and parents placing too much emphasis on the score and winning.
Not keeping score makes kids more likely to quit or cheat when faced with adversity. Why try your hardest all the time if it literally makes no difference as there is no score?
You probably think this because you live in a country like the US or Canada where that is true. If you've ever played soccer with a mixed-nationality group, even a layman can quickly pick out the players from other countries by how much better they are at soccer.
Name one country where winning youth games is emphasized, that has won a World Cup.
The point is apparently beyond your grasp as first you lied and then now you respond with an unrelated tangent.
The study didn't say anything about developing skill. In fact, if we are honest, it is the rich countries that do a better job with developing skill (why do you think no African team has ever won a world cup or even made it to the championship game - it isn't due to a lack talented players, they historically lack the resources and environment to develop the skill as much as Europe can). These rich countries also tend to be more liberal in out look. So there probably is no causation between the two. Does lighter skinned citizens mean your country economically prospers more or does correlation not always equal causation?
The study, if you can be honest to stay on track, showed that kids in leagues that did not keep score were more likely to give up or cheat when faced with adversity than kids in leagues that kept score.
Yeah the kids don't know who's winning. So stupid yet so PC. I'm sure when our glorious leaders hear about this the yute soccer programs in the US will have this all mandatory too.
"Tessa McDonald says it’s going to be “a lot weirder†to play soccer without keeping score. But she still wants to win. “Winning is more fun than losing, and if there’s no score, how are you going to have fun?â€
The 9-year-old midfielder, who plays for the North Toronto Soccer Club’s competitive under-10 team, says she will keep score in her head this year (“as long as it’s not more than sevenâ€), but worries her teammates might not be equally motivated if the game “doesn’t matter.â€
Tessa’s league is one of many across the province that will stop keeping score and tabulating standings this season in an attempt to shift the focus of kids’ soccer away from winning and toward skills development.
Some leagues and age groups started last season, others will adopt the approach this year, and by 2014 it will be mandatory across Ontario for all competitive players under 12.
It’s part of a well-established, research-supported and holistic approach to player development, common in soccer-rich countries and endorsed by the sport’s brightest minds."
Who can argue with a holistic approach after all. lol
This makes sense for soccer (not American football, baseball, basketball and other American competitive sports).
I'd love it if I never heard someone screaming at the top of their lungs "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL" ever again.
The point is apparently beyond your grasp as first you lied and then now you respond with an unrelated tangent.
The study didn't say anything about developing skill. In fact, if we are honest, it is the rich countries that do a better job with developing skill (why do you think no African team has ever won a world cup or even made it to the championship game - it isn't due to a lack talented players, they historically lack the resources and environment to develop the skill as much as Europe can). These rich countries also tend to be more liberal in out look. So there probably is no causation between the two. Does lighter skinned citizens mean your country economically prospers more or does correlation not always equal causation?
The study, if you can be honest to stay on track, showed that kids in leagues that did not keep score were more likely to give up or cheat when faced with adversity than kids in leagues that kept score.
When did I lie?
And I really don't care about your stupid study. If you know anything at all about youth soccer, you know that keeping score destroys children's development. Leagues revolve around parents yelling at coaches to teach their kids to chuck the ball to the tall kid so he can bowl everyone over and score repeatedly. Nobody involved in this process learns anything about playing soccer. If you care about developing good soccer players, you don't keep score for young kids, period. There's literally an entire planet of evidence supporting this point. It doesn't mean that you don't teach the kids to score goals, it doesn't mean you don't reward good play, it simply means you don't base success around who has the tallest kids.
And I really don't care about your stupid study. If you know anything at all about youth soccer, you know that keeping score destroys children's development. Leagues revolve around parents yelling at coaches to teach their kids to chuck the ball to the tall kid so he can bowl everyone over and score repeatedly. Nobody involved in this process learns anything about playing soccer. If you care about developing good soccer players, you don't keep score for young kids, period. There's literally an entire planet of evidence supporting this point. It doesn't mean that you don't teach the kids to score goals, it doesn't mean you don't reward good play, it simply means you don't base success around who has the tallest kids.
You are such an Obamabot, you don't even realize when you lie?
"A recent study of every soccer player in the world showed that kids in score-keeping leagues grow up to be terrible at soccer." -you
If you were smart, you would have realized that you just reinforced my point. It is destructive for parents and coaches to yell and emphasize winning over all other things like being healthy, having fun, and developing skills. Keeping score and not giving everyone a trophy in and of itself is not the problem. Bad coaches, bad parents, and etc are.
You are such an Obamabot, you don't even realize when you lie?
"A recent study of every soccer player in the world showed that kids in score-keeping leagues grow up to be terrible at soccer." -you
If you were smart, you would have realized that you just reinforced my point. It is destructive for parents and coaches to yell and emphasize winning over all other things like being healthy, having fun, and developing skills. Keeping score and not giving everyone a trophy in and of itself is not the problem. Bad coaches, bad parents, and etc are.
I was referring to a little thing called the World Cup.
Good luck with running a league where score is kept but nobody over the age of 12 cares. Maybe after games you can treat the kids to pizza topped with magic beans.
A recent study of every soccer player in the world showed that kids in score-keeping leagues grow up to be terrible at soccer.
What!!!! Who did that study? I really need to take a look at that.
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