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Old 09-12-2013, 07:27 PM
 
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Usually the unexceptional are the only ones tired of hearing about the exceptional....

 
Old 09-12-2013, 07:38 PM
 
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Those countries lost that many because they were being invaded while you were still sitting it out which isn't something to be proud of either, right?
Go ahead an read on how Stalin treated his soldiers like cannon fodder.
The Nazis invaded the communists why should we meddle?
 
Old 09-12-2013, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Usually the unexceptional are the only ones tired of hearing about the exceptional....
I'm sure you are a legend in your own shower.
 
Old 09-12-2013, 07:41 PM
 
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That was a counter to someone surmising exceptionalism came from winning WWII. Many countries won WWII so I guess even the ones that don't exist today are then still exceptional, right?
The US ended WWII. That was pretty exceptional.
 
Old 09-12-2013, 08:11 PM
 
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Most people don't understand what that term is supposed to mean. I didn't for a long time. I looked at it as arrogant and self-serving.

Here is what I've come to understand the term to mean: the idea is not that "Americans" are better than anyone else in the world. It's not that they are anything special on an individual basis. It is meant to say that Americans are an "exception" to the norm throughout history to a large extent. Very few civilizations sought to put power over the individual with the individual. It's never been a perfect "experiment" on the part of this nation, but it HAS been an exception to the way "governance" has been imposed in the past (largely)--thus the idea of "exceptional-ism." It's not my favorite descriptive word because it has more than one meaning or interpretation and can be taken to simply mean arrogance.

Personally, although I believe the choice is disappearing, I am grateful that I've been given the choice as an individual. I've been in no way successful in life by the typical standards as defined by society. But I'd rather be unsuccessful by choice than successful by coercion. Above all, I value self-determination and personal liberty to chose success or failure, good or evil. I'm an "exceptional American" not because I'm special or better than anyone, but because I've been "granted" my right--choice. That's the "exception." I could have been born into any number of horrible lives throughout a history that has been bloodied by tyranny through the ages in the overwhelming majority of times.

So, the term "American Exceptionalism" refers to the experiment in individual liberty (for all you liberals: you know, like how you can smoke pot in Washington state whereas you can be put to death in Iran for smuggling and given 70 public lashes for using pot... or how, here in America you can commit adultery with no repercussions whereas in parts of the middle east, you can be stoned to death--especially if you are a woman?). Whether the "American Experiment" has been successful is debatable, not because the concept is not a good one, but because it never has fully been given a chance. By nature, whether it's part of our genetic makeup or whatever else, we (our speices) are largely predisposed to seek power over others in one form or another. We are a species of master and slave. We seek power in many forms, but the grand prize is to have power over others, whether in relationships between two people or ten-million people. It's not the case with every living being, but it is the case with enough of us to make such an experiment in individual liberty such as the "American Experiment" precarious at best.
 
Old 09-12-2013, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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I am conservative on many issues and liberal on others, but I am tired of hearing this crap. It means absolutely nothing. It means about as much as a sign that says worlds best Pizza. Its just crap and it gets repeated so much it means even less than that.
You know, I think we can wrap up pretty much everything we conservatives believe by saying, in the end, that what we really believe in is America. We don’t just love America, we’re in love with America; with the whole idea of what America is.

But is this mere patriotism, pride in, and love of one’s own country, or is it something more? Is America truly unique? That is, genuinely exceptional, as measured from an unbiased baseline?

Well, America is exceptional. She’s exceptional in all four of the ways that a nation may be said to be exceptional: militarily, economically, scientifically, and culturally. And I can prove it.

Okay, Militarily…

You know, throughout history, certain exceptional nations have dominated the world militarily. Egypt, Rome, The Mongols, Spain, France, Britain, and America’s military dominance since World War II certainly puts us in that category. But the American military exceptionalism is completely different both in terms of relative power, and more importantly, in terms of the use of that power.

Now, at the end of 1945, only two military powers of any consequence remained after the ruin of the World War: the United States, and the Soviet Union. And while the Soviets did have large numbers of troops and tanks, they had no navy and no strategic air force to speak of. Now, on the other hand, the United States possessed, intact, the most awe-inspiring, battle-hardened navy the world had ever seen. It possessed sky-darkening clouds of B-29 strategic bombers. And it possessed, alone, the atomic bomb and the will to use it.

Had we been like any other power in the history of the world, the United States of America would have used that monopoly on absolute military supremacy to have planted its flag anywhere it wanted and no one would have been able to do a thing about it.

But what did America do with this once-in-all-of-history military advantage? Well, we scrapped the ships, we drove steel bars through the wings of those priceless bombers, and began the largest de-militarization in the history of the world. Oh, and we sent billions of 1940 dollars – that’s an almost unimaginable sum today – to our defeated mortal adversaries to get them back up on their feet.

And this isn’t an isolated incident; it’s a pattern. In 1991, the US Army set, unopposed, atop the precious, precious oil fields, (that we’re always told that our wars are fought to gain,) and what did America do? We put out the fires and then we came home. Again. In the sixty years since the end of World War II, the United States has deployed only in response to aggression – not to cause it. Berlin, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Korea, Vietnam – were all instances of Communist – that is to say, Leftist – aggression.

The Gulf War and the Iraq War were a direct result of Saddam attacking his neighbors, our allies, and then continuing to attack after he had surrendered.

And our war in Afghanistan was about as measured a response as any country in history has made, given the scale of the provocation.

Now economically, the United States (with less than 5% of the world’s population,) produces about 25% of its total economic output. America, with 307 million people, produces about 14 trillion dollars in GDP. China, with 1.3 billion, produces almost 5 trillion dollars in GDP. In other words, America produces almost three times the GDP of second-place China and we do it with 23% of their population.

People who point to America’s economic decline point to the loss of jobs, especially manufacturing jobs going overseas. But, as my good friend Steve Greene pointed out, America has historically been right on top of where the money is at the time. That’s a remarkable observation.

There have been three basic waves of human innovation since before recorded history: the agricultural age, the industrial age, and now the information age.

When agriculture was where the real money was, America became the world’s largest grain exporter. When the industrial age was at its peak, the US was the predominant industrial power, and now that we are in the information age, we are again the center of the economic universe. Yes, things like laptops may be manufactured in China, but that’s not who gets to keep most of the money.

The idea, (and ideas are the essence of the new economy,) came from America. Nothing new comes from China. And that doesn’t seem to be in any danger of changing. That’s because it’s so easy to start new businesses here in America. We are not only economically massive, we are economically nimble. Capital and imagination combine more quickly in America than anywhere else in the world, and by a wide margin, which is why we always serve the future so well; because America is from the future.

Okay, moving on. One of the common charges leveled by America-haters, is that America is a stupid country. In fact, if you listen to these guys, American’s are not just stupid – we are, literally, according to them, the stupidest people in the world.

Is that true? How does America fare scientifically?

Well, each year, scientists all around the world write research papers. These papers produce scientific citations. It’s fair to call these citations “units” of science- that is, a measure of how much ground-breaking science is being performed.

Now according to the latest data, Italy came in seventh. Proceeded by Canada, France, Japan, Germany, and the United Kingdom. Great Britain, at number two, had eighteen million citations between 1996 and 2008. During that time, the United States produced 75,766,251- more than four times as many as the runner up. Can’t you see that this is not just patriotism? The United States produces more scientific citations than the next six countries combined, and with less than 5% of the world population.

The American University system is the envy of the world. Nowhere is there better science being done, and nowhere is there anything like the numbers of people receiving advanced scientific and engineering degrees.

One man, an American- the late Norman Borlaug, whose name should be sung to the rafters every day – launched what’s known as the green revolution. This American agronomist first developed the high-yield, disease-resistant crops that defied the Malthusian projections of worldwide famine and single-handedly fed the entire world. Billions of people are alive today because of this American scientist.

But I can go on. Almost all of the life-saving drugs administered around the world are the product of American pharmaceutical research. Almost all of them.

To compare American inventive genius relative to the rest of the world, let’s go right to the heart of the modern socialist European state. Let’s go to Sweden. If you Google “Swedish inventions” what comes up? Well, Wikipedia has nothing – not one thing – in the 21st century. Swedes did invent the spherical bearing in 1907 – and that’s not a trivial thing – and neither is the first practical dialysis machine, invented by Nils Alwall.

On my monitor, I had to hit “page down” 3 times to run through the list of Swedish inventions. The list of American breakthroughs took me 69 taps of that button, and revealed – just taking one out of twenty, let’s say – Refrigeration, the electric telegraph, anesthesia, assembly line production, the airplane, the bulldozer, extragalactic astronomy, the liquid-fueled rocket, EEG brain topography, the digital computer, nylon, ,the creation of the first Transuranium element, nuclear weapons, the transistor, supersonic flight, the video game, cable television, radiocarbon dating, the atomic clock, the credit card, the nuclear submarine, the laser, carbon fiber, the integrated circuit, the weather satellite, the birth control pill, the communications satellite, Kevlar, the compact disc, the jumbo jet, the personal computer, email, the Heimlich maneuver, the space shuttle, the graphic user interface, the global positioning system, and in case you missed any of that: TiVo. Oh, and parenthetically, this nation of idiots landed on the moon two generations ago, and we also mapped the human genome about a decade ahead of schedule.

Would you not consider that exceptional scientific output for less than five percent of the world’s population? I think that’s exceptionally exceptional.

Now Culturally, I’ll just say this: look at the list of the 50 top-grossing movies of all time. There is a lot of international talent there, certainly, but every single one of them is the product of an American studio. You might object to the Lord of the Rings movies being on that list, but the three Lord of the Rings movies cost about 450 million dollars and New Zealand doesn’t have that kind of money to spend on movies– nothing like it. The top 50 movies are American movies, and they’re spoken in English.

In terms of albums sold, American Michael Jackson is the only one to sell over 100 million worldwide. The following six best-selling albums are all American, with Andrew Lloyd Weber, of all people, coming in at number eight.

Look, this is not a question of whether the Brits or anyone else have great talent. Of course they do. It’s a question of which country produces the international culture. And by every measure it’s us. Five percent.

Let’s not belabor this any further (although I could, because it’s fun.) As a reasonable person, based on the evidence I have presented, would you not say that the United States of America is not only exceptional in one or two of these areas, but has historically dominated all of these fields – military, economic, scientific and cultural – in a way never before matched in history? It’s simply never happened before.

Why? Well, now we know why: because we believe in small government, which means less bureaucratic and regulatory kudzu gumming up the works. We’re weary of the elitist thinking that imprisons Europe and to a much greater degree the command economies out in the rest of the world. We believe that wealth can be created out of thin air through creativity adding complexity and free trade. We believe that a country founded on natural law by intentional and reflective design, is based upon what makes people happy, and free enough to pursue those dreams and visions. We believe in the energy and courage and ambition of a nation of immigrants as long as those possessing those excellent qualities respect the law, rather than mock and scorn it. And we believe that the freedom to believe all of this is ultimately, the very perishable gift of free people who must be willing to defend themselves and those ideals from all enemies, foreign and domestic, and at the point of a gun if necessary.

All of these magnificent ideas are under attack in America today and this is not an accident. America is, has been, and must continue to be the bullwork upon which dreams of tyranny and oppression can dash themselves to pieces. And protecting those ideals is not the job of the schools, the media, the government, or even the military. That job is our job. Ours alone. It is a commitment that we make as individuals every single day. And we hope that some of these ideals that we’ve outlined here will make honoring that commitment just a little bit easier.
 
Old 09-12-2013, 10:44 PM
 
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I have never heard the phrase used, so I'm hanging around the right circles. Sounds like something created by the same wimpy idiots who encourage each of us to build our "brand".

So much about today's society lacks substance. Look at the GOP.
 
Old 09-12-2013, 10:50 PM
 
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The average joe is one medical bill away from financial ruin and being tossed into the streets.

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Old 09-12-2013, 11:46 PM
 
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The average joe is one medical bill away from financial ruin and being tossed into the streets.

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who is to blame? the trail lawyers and the fools in Washington who think they can make everything better if we just give up control, America this is your wake up call..
 
Old 09-13-2013, 12:25 AM
 
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Awww, are we still crushing on Vladimir?? from his editorial:

It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation."

Sorry, folks, I think America is exceptional. We've come through several foreign invasions, a civil war, two world wars, terrorist attacks, among other things, and we're still alive and kicking. We put more than one American on the moon and put probes on other planets. We can say Obama sucks in public without fear of government reprisals, we can "fire" our representatives and the President by our votes. Yes, this country is exceptional, and has been since it's inception.

And, by the way, who the hell is this guy, president of one of the most corrupt governments in the world, to tell the US how to live. **** him.

But, don't let me stop you guys from kissing Putin's butt cheeks. Personally, I have little use for the self-absorbed thug.
America has no idea what real hard times are in comparison to other nations..... thank our being isolated by the oceans for that

Imagine going through what Europe went through in WW1 and WW2.....or what China went through in WW2. What we have gone through is not a hair on the ass of what many other nations have been through

As far as our so called freedoms.... many countries are freer than we are currently and you can criticize the government

It is not as simple as you put it we can fire our elected officials. The monsy in politics makes sure we get what they want, not what is good for us..

It is telling that it took a Russian leader to speak more intelligently than any of our idiot leaders on world politics

It seems you are pretty clueless on every front there Carter..... sounds like you are a child regurgitating what his Conservative daddy brainwashed him with


But don't let me stop you from kissing Obamas butt cheeks....
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