Top 1 Percent Of Americans Owns 40 Percent Of The Nation’s Wealth This Needs To Change (bias, state)
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If we got Big Government out of the way and let the free market weigh in, then we would have a wonderful country.
Well, I was thinking "yeah right...", then I read this:
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003
Yes, they would if given the proper incentives. People don't usually crap in their own pond. If businesses owned a river, they would be sure it was clean. That's just simple business sense.
Then I realized who we are dealing with here.
Maybe if the business "owned" a river, they might think about keeping it clean if that led to higher profits or benefitted them in some way, but it's not likely. But, if you think that without environmental regulations in place, that business would trip over itself to make sure it was not impacting the environment at all, then I realize that you are not capable of rational thought. Why did they not do this before regulations?
Well, I was thinking "yeah right...", then I read this:
Then I realized who we are dealing with here.
Maybe if the business "owned" a river, they might think about keeping it clean if that led to higher profits or benefitted them in some way, but it's not likely. But, if you think that without environmental regulations in place, that business would trip over itself to make sure it was not impacting the environment at all, then I realize that you are not capable of rational thought. Why did they not do this before regulations?
Because they had no stake in the game.
As I said, people don't usually crap in their own pond.
And of course, those capitalists would be sure by policing themselves that our environment, clean air, and water would remain safe for us all without government meddling.
Why are rich capitalists always stepping on the necks of the poor and middle class?
oh, wait, because they're rich, and dog gonnit, they can!
I'm about as middle class as you can get and I used to be poor.
I've never had a rich person "step on my neck" or otherwise hinder my climb towards the next rung on the ladder of upward mobility.
In fact I would say the the only limitations on me are the ones I've placed on myself.
The only reason I'm not RICH or even UPPER middle class is because I am not willing to work harder than I do now to achieve it.
But that's MY fault....not anyone else's and certainly not the fault of rich Capitalists.
Rich Capitalists are the ones who provided the ladder for me to climb.
It's not their fault if I am unwilling or even unable to climb any higher.
Maybe if the business "owned" a river, they might think about keeping it clean if that led to higher profits or benefitted them in some way, but it's not likely.
That's the whole objective. A clean river would lead to more business. I never suggested that they would keep the river for altruistic reasons. Disney World doesn't have an extremely clean park for any reason other than it leads to more business. Golf courses don't have water fountains because the government says they have to. They have water fountains because it leads to more business. That model can be extended to a lot of other businesses. We should find ways to entice business into making our world a better place. That model works a lot better than government regulation.
Hmm...well, that's absolutely contrary to the numerous arguments on this forum alone of people wanting the abolishment of minimum wage so that lower wages can be paid.
So which is it?
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003
That's the whole objective. A clean river would lead to more business. I never suggested that they would keep the river for altruistic reasons. Disney World doesn't have an extremely clean park for any reason other than it leads to more business. Golf courses don't have water fountains because the government says they have to. They have water fountains because it leads to more business. That model can be extended to a lot of other businesses. We should find ways to entice business into making our world a better place. That model works a lot better than government regulation.
So before government regulations, many waterways were so polluted that they weren't even fit for animal life. They didn't do it then, why would they do it now?
You are talking about self-contained small bodies of water completely within the confines of a tourist-type destination. What reasons would a chemical company have for not dumping into a river that flowed away from them? If there was nothing illegal about it, and the only downfall might be that some family down the way might try to hire an internet lawyer to sue them for one hour's worth of profits, what's the incentive?
By the way, here is a video of a guy literally crapping in a lake: YouTube. And he won't make any profit off that. Now, add a profit motive.
That's the whole objective. A clean river would lead to more business. I never suggested that they would keep the river for altruistic reasons. Disney World doesn't have an extremely clean park for any reason other than it leads to more business. Golf courses don't have water fountains because the government says they have to. They have water fountains because it leads to more business. That model can be extended to a lot of other businesses. We should find ways to entice business into making our world a better place. That model works a lot better than government regulation.
Your premise only works if it's in the best financial of the company to keep the river clean and not dump waste into it and doesn't even consider the notion that it might be in the best financial interest of the company to dump waste into the river.
Did you not understand why we had laws in the first place that bans companies from dumping their waste into rivers? Because that's exactly what they used to do. In Cleveland, their river once caught on fire it was so filled with industrial waste.
As I said, people don't usually crap in their own pond.
They do if it runs down stream such as a river does! But hey! If the company can make a profit!
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Water pollution is a major global problem which requires ongoing evaluation and revision of water resource policy at all levels (international down to individual aquifers and wells). It has been suggested that it is the leading worldwide cause of deaths and diseases, and that it accounts for the deaths of more than 14,000 people daily.An estimated of 580 people in India die of water pollution related sickness every day. Some 90% of China's cities suffer from some degree of water pollution, and nearly 500 million people lack access to safe drinking water. In addition to the acute problems of water pollution in developing countries, developed countries continue to struggle with pollution problems as well. In the most recent national report on water quality in the United States, 45 percent of assessed stream miles, 47 percent of assessed lake acres, and 32 percent of assessed bays and estuarine square miles were classified as polluted.
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