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Old 11-25-2013, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Iran shares one border with an Arab nation, the Iranian/Iraqi border to be specific. Please clarify how this means they are "surrounded" as you put it.
They share borders with Saudi Arabia, and other arab countries on the other side of the gulf, some of which are openly hostile towards Iran. Maybe you meant land-border.

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Old 11-25-2013, 06:45 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Iran shares one border with an Arab nation, the Iranian/Iraqi border to be specific. Please clarify how this means they are "surrounded" as you put it.

Again, to correct some factually questionable data in your post, the Americans never "stole" any Iranian oil. I think what you are alluding to is the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (APOC), later the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), which was an English (NOT American), company founded in 1908 following the discovery of oil reserves in the Masjed Soleiman area of Iran. This company exploited Iranian petroleum reserves and saw much of the profits returned to England, though the terms of the agreements changed over the years until the petroleum industry in Iran was nationalized by a vote of the Majlis (Iranian Parliament) in 1951.

Be careful with things your are trying to present as facts.
Not initially, but later on the US supported the British, like during the the crisis that followed the nationalization of the oil industry, which was the will of the Iranian people by the way:

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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If I Had a choice between lifting sanctions and having a agreement with Iran or listening to the same old screech year after year that Iran is months away from nukes I choose the sanctions. A certain poster wrote a long piece about it taking so much uranium enrichment for Iran to have capability for a nuclear weapon. Did posters not read that Iran is pledging to stay under those numbers and there is going to be experts over there too make sure that the Iranians do. It sounds better to me having experts over there to report if they violated the sanctions then have no body monitoring the situation except the Iranians.
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:58 AM
 
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They share borders with Saudi Arabia, and other arab countries on the other side of the gulf, some of which are openly hostile towards Iran. Maybe you meant land-border.

Be careful with things your are trying to present as facts.

I clearly meant land border. Apply common sense. The original poster meant they were surrounded by Arab nations, and that simply is not true. They share a single land border with an Arab nation.
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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They share borders with Saudi Arabia, and other arab countries on the other side of the gulf, some of which are openly hostile towards Iran. Maybe you meant land-border.

Be careful with things your are trying to present as facts.
to be clear Iran does nor share a land border with Saudi Arabia
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What are the options?

1. Status quo (sanctions), which did not prevent the program, and which will lead to war
2. Try something else
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I could care less about what the Iranians might not do to the Saudi Royal Family's tyrannical rule or the Zionist land grabbers. Besides in the latter case there is a MAD situation and neither the Zionists or the Iranians are suicidal.

As far as I know the Iranian nuclear technology is capable of producing either weapons grade Uranium or Plutonium. They are not a weapons threat to anyone.

They are a threat to the world petroleum marketers as they are having difficulty keeping their monopoly pricing intact without a flood of Persian Oil suddenly available to the market. That is the reason we are continuing an embargo of Iran.
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:05 AM
 
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What are the options?

1. Status quo (sanctions), which did not prevent the program, and which will lead to war
2. Try something else
Like what, destabilizing the Middle East? The Iranians must be wondering if Obama isn't the Hidden Imam.
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:10 AM
 
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Not initially, but later on the US supported the British, like during the the crisis that followed the nationalization of the oil industry, which was the will of the Iranian people by the way:

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fully understand the history leading to the Iranian revolution. That doesn't change the fact that you mistakenly tried to claim that the U.S. was exploiting Iranian petroleum when that was done by the U.K. Even now, you are saying that the U.S. didn't take an active role in intervening in Iran until after the nationalization of the petroleum industry.

I am not denying U.S. involvement in internal Iranian politics. That is documented. The only role the U.S. played with regard to Iranian petroleum began in 1954 following the nationalization of the petroleum industry. As a condition for restoring the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, in 1954 the U.S. required removal of the AIOC's monopoly; five American petroleum companies, Royal Dutch Shell, and the Compagnie Française des Pétroles, were to draw Iran's petroleum after the successful coup d'état—Operation Ajax. The Shah declared this to be a "victory" for Iranians, with the massive influx of money from this agreement resolving the economic collapse from the last three years, and allowing him to carry out his planned modernization projects.]

The phrase "massive influx of money" would be a key indicator that the five U.S. companies, Royal Dutch Shell, and Compagnie Française des Pétroles were not exploiting the Iranian petroleum reserves as the money was returning to the Iranian economy.
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:12 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I clearly meant land border. Apply common sense. The original poster meant they were surrounded by Arab nations, and that simply is not true. They share a single land border with an Arab nation.
Surrounded does not necessarily mean 100%. When you look at the map, Iran's huge SE border from the southern tip almost up to the northern tip is bordered by Arabs, separated by water or not. Water is not something that can keep enemies away anymore. To the contrary, there are lots of foreign ships in that straight. And other enemies of Iran, namely the US, are in Afghanistan and Pakistan on the other side of Iran's territory. So Iran is surrounded by enemies, as this map of US bases shows:

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/wp-conte...dle-east-a.jpg
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