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Old 01-10-2014, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It's not my worry directly, it's a worry about the two guaranteed, expected, reliable, predictable and inevitable negative outcomes - increased unemployment among those who can least afford to be unemployed, and inflation for the entire populace, all because some handful of people are making a wage they and their employer find agreeable, but someone in some distant ivory tower finds distasteful.

That is what we are talking about. Minimum wage laws are not at the request of employee or employer, but of some distant interloper who thinks they are solving some societal problem. If the employee was dissatisfied with their wage, they would ask for a raise or seek employment elsewhere. If the employer saw an increase in the value of an employee over and above the wage they pay someone, they would increase the compensation in order to retain that employee.

Since less than 1% of the full time working population makes the minimum wage now (including the folks at dreaded WalMart), it isn't anywhere as bad as you and the other proponents make it out to be. If 99% of the employers are not doing this thing you dread, why do you dread it so fiercely?
So raising minimum wage would have a direct effect on less than 5% of the workforce who are considered to be at the bottom of the workforce and this is somehow bad to increase it, but getting rid of it so those people could potentially be paid much less is somehow good.

 
Old 01-10-2014, 08:06 AM
 
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If it costs you $2 to make a loaf of bread and $2 for labor then you are making bread wrong.
Did you even learn math in any part of your life? If you don't like the $2, change it to whatever number you prefer. That was just a example to illustrate my point.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Get away with what? The political farce? If you send police to chase them down, I assure you it will end up like this: they will raise the price so that then can remain profitable, and you will be paying for it, which defeats the purpose of raising the minimum wage to begin with.
Actually I am fine with paying fair market value for my food, I also try and make sure all of my food comes regionally rather than from the other end of the country or overseas to help reduce shipping costs.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Did you even learn math in any part of your life? If you don't like the $2, change it to whatever number you prefer. That was just a example to illustrate my point.
So if it cost 50 cents to make a loaf of bread and the amount of labor cost is rounded up to 50 cents and I sold it for 5 dollars, then I would have plenty of room for any minimum wage increase.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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If a guy who went to prison can make a profit at making amazing bread, then so can you.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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You're the one who suggested $100/hr, so if that wasn't your idea of a rational argument, then you might need to explain what you meant by that.
I suggested nothing of the sort! Sheeesh! What level of education did you complete? Just curious.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 08:16 AM
 
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So if it cost 50 cents to make a loaf of bread and the amount of labor cost is rounded up to 50 cents and I sold it for 5 dollars, then I would have plenty of room for any minimum wage increase.
Please show me your $0.50/loaf bread.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Fine. Set the minimum wage at $50/hr then? Or, how about $300/hr? Why not? See what happens.

At $15/hr, many so called "entry level" jobs will disappear. We used to have gas station attendants fill our tanks. What happened to them?
My fault, you suggested $50/hr or $300/hr, not $100/hr.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Please show me your $0.50/loaf bread.
How much do you save by baking your own bread? (52 ways to save money on a healthy diet)

Based on this link if you are making bread at home it is about a dollar a loaf, if you make it in a professional kitchen that is designed for bread making, then the cost of that loaf is much lower.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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Well then in that case I will let you know the moment bluesjuke responds to my comment.
So you make a comment, and cant respond to it unless some 3rd party actually tells you what you meant?

News flash, YOU are the one talking about Walmart raising prices 25%, or $.25, it flip flops consistantly..
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