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Old 01-03-2014, 08:52 PM
 
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The cheapest labor is the labor that is free.

Anything isn't better than welfare or we wouldn't have working Americans on welfare.


what skills do the poor learn on welfare?

 
Old 01-03-2014, 08:53 PM
 
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Someone answer this please...

WHY should minimum wage be a living wage (since that's the main argument that's made for raising it)?

Because just about half of minimum wage earners are at least 25; minimum wage is not just for teens anymore.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 08:54 PM
 
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Part of me wishes the Democrats would get everything on their wish list for awhile. That would probably be the best thing for conservatives.
Don't worry, they got Obamacare.

"If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance period"
--- Barack Obama

People with open eyes know he is a liar.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 08:56 PM
 
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Someone answer this please...

WHY should minimum wage be a living wage (since that's the main argument that's made for raising it)?

Because just about half of minimum wage earners are at least 25; minimum wage is not just for teens anymore.

Having said that my solution is not to raise minimum wage, but to reduce the cost of living for low-wage workers, for whom excessive housing regulations are a luxury they can't afford.

Why not allow dormitories for low-wage workers to provide cheap housing? Smaller and denser apartments? etc
 
Old 01-03-2014, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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the north could care less about black slaves. The Abolitionists were a minority in the U.S. The civil war wasn't fought over slavery.
You're right, the civil war was fought because the south illegally tried to leave the union because they wanted to govern themselves because they didn't like the fact that slavery was now illegal.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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what skills do the poor learn on welfare?
Yet people who are working class poor work and are on welfare.....did you miss the "working class" part of my statement?
 
Old 01-03-2014, 09:01 PM
 
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what skills do the poor learn on welfare?

Gaming (the system) and scamming.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 09:04 PM
 
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You're right, the civil war was fought because the south illegally tried to leave the union because they wanted to govern themselves because they didn't like the fact that slavery was now illegal.
illegally? Don't think so. When was slavery illegal before the civil war?.....better do some more research.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 09:04 PM
 
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We didn't have a national minimum wage either. I don't know if you can understand it but slavery by itself means that the market is not free.

We also didn't have excessive housing and land use regulations in the 1920s. Those excessive regulations are the primary reason adults can't live adequately on minimum wage today.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 09:06 PM
 
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The programmer in India is only worth $20k. Companies outsource jobs to save money, and some times they bring the jobs back in house to save money. Honestly, a company cannot pay an employee less than the labor is worth, or the employee will not show up for work. And the UAW among others have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that it is not possible to pay more than the work is worth. If an employee punches in in the morning, he or she by definition must have decided that the highest and best use of his or her time is to sell it to that employer on the agreed-upon terms.

??? Then the US programmer is only worth $20k, unless there is some qualitative difference I don't know about between the two.
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