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Old 01-16-2014, 10:10 AM
 
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If President Obama doesn't make significant changes to the security apparatus which includes the NSA and FBI tomorrow then he's well on his way to becoming a dictator. Consider that National Security Letters (NSL's) are so repressive that allowing them makes the FBI tantamount to a East Germany's secret police the Stasi.
No; I think listening to Feinstein he is closer than ever to having congress act in limiting president latitude in both intelligence and NSE by their passing their own rules in law and challenging him to veto them.I think his administration actions of defend have seriously been rejected and he know it . He is now hoping to limit damages done by acting but congress seems to be moving o tis won .Hillary Clinton maybe the first casualty since the State dept. under her got a lashing in the report.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So which president has ever released their college records?
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:13 AM
 
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LOL at that one. The President didn't even ask Congress to do anything. He's doing it himself with the panel he appointed last year.
Obama expected to turn to Congress to help decide fate of NSA phone data collection

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President Obama on Friday is expected to announce some new limits on the National Security Agency program that collects billions of Americans’ phone records, but he will call on Congress to help determine the program’s future, according to current and former officials familiar with the administration’s plans.
Obama expected to turn to Congress to help decide fate of NSA phone data collection - The Washington Post


But with NSA cheerleaders like Dianne Feinstein and Mike Rogers in Congress I'd rather President Obama made the decision on his own.

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Old 01-16-2014, 10:16 AM
 
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The same things will be done to the Dems soon.

Count on it.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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It does seem that is the direction we're heading. Of course, we the people could actually WAKE THE F*** up, stop letting the media think for us, and stop voting for the 2 corrupt main parties for a change and get people in there who will actually represent all of us, and not just the elitists!
Then we could vote for a corrupt third party backed by the 6th wealthiest duo in the world, who are looking out for their own best interests.

When Ron Paul ( who I admire because he was consistent) started in on selling all public land to pay off the debt it became clear that he too served the master.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:38 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Then we could vote for a corrupt third party backed by the 6th wealthiest duo in the world, who are looking out for their own best interests.

When Ron Paul ( who I admire because he was consistent) started in on selling all public land to pay off the debt it became clear that he too served the master.

OK, but again... how is voting for the same ole same ole working out? I won't dispute that power can and does corrupt, but we're voting in the same types of people here, and yet expect different results. Wash.....rinse....repeat.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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OK, but again... how is voting for the same ole same ole working out? I won't dispute that power can and does corrupt, but we're voting in the same types of people here, and yet expect different results. Wash.....rinse....repeat.
Because party loyalty says if their side gets total power (WH and Congress) then they will "do good".
And when people start looking at a third party that is "throwing your vote away" or voting for a different "evil".

It's all propaganda. Keep the people in one of the two parties and keep them at each others throats while Uncle Sam pilfers their paychecks and wallets.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:41 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Because party loyalty says if their side gets total power (WH and Congress) then they will "do good".
And when people start looking at a third party that is "throwing your vote away" or voting for a different "evil".

It's all propaganda. Keep the people in one of the two parties and keep them at each others throats while Uncle Sam pilfers their paychecks and wallets.

Yep. Classic divide and conquer. It definitely is working. Well.... maybe not on all of us.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:43 AM
 
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OK, but again... how is voting for the same ole same ole working out? I won't dispute that power can and does corrupt, but we're voting in the same types of people here, and yet expect different results. Wash.....rinse....repeat.
Definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Change we can believe in means seriously reforming our corrupt two Party system. At the very least we need to ferret out the blatant crooks and send them packing.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yep. Classic divide and conquer. It definitely is working. Well.... maybe not on all of us.
But not enough of us yet. No one third party got 5% of the vote in 2012 which would have been a foot in the door.
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