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Old 02-07-2014, 08:32 PM
 
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Portland has been approving micro homes on properties as a test for a bit now. So far I havent heard of any unique issues with allowing them.

That being said if he wants to try something he should put together a package and see how it flies. I've thought large efficiency housing units could be done inexpensively. yeah we'd pack people in like rats, but it could be done in a really inexpensive manner.

You'd definitely have to put it where the NIMBY folks with money wouldn't be disturbed.

Microhomes + Portland = massively overpriced hipster housing. Not even REMOTELY affordable to the working poor or even the working class. These micro homes have been controversial because they have caused parking shortages in neighborhoods where developers were allowed to build without providing sufficient on-site parking. I do not have a car, so I am opposed to screwing people without cars by mandating extra (unaffordable to the car-less) parking. The cost of parking should be borne by those with cars, and should not be shifted onto those without cars.
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:33 PM
 
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But then Goveernment would not have control. This is a nice litmus test to see what a "progressive" Government like Portland really wants- control or affordable living for working people.

I bet Government overwhelms this business with all sorts of red tape to get him to stop competing with publicly funded housing. It is all about control.
There isn't any question and never has been. Liberals are about control, and nothing else.
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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I did, what's wrong with San Francisco making sure they have housing for the middle class? That is a common practice in the most expensive cities. Houston can just keep sprawling until it consumes all the rural land around it in the name of cheaper housing.

What, if anything, is San Francisco doing to make sure they have housing for the working poor?
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:37 PM
 
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God, you righties are really paranoid. This is not about "control". This is corruption and kickbacks, that's all! There isn't some conspiracy theory to control your life, for ****'s sake
That's the definition of government control. The PURPOSE for government control. The ideology of the left...
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I posted it here because "affordable housing" is VERY controversial in this country, plus I thought it would be good to enable readers all over to learn about and discuss this in the hope of promoting similar applications.

This is the part of town experiencing wholesale arrival of the poor and gangbangers being displaced by gentrification elsewhere, so I expect this place to soon be overrun with thugs. But that's just my classism showing.
I duplicated the thread for the Portland thread for anyone that wants to have a more local discussion.

East Portland will be one of the last areas to see much income change, but I doubt it will become any sort of "gangbanger" hotbed because Portland really doesn't have any area that is a "gangbanger" hotbed.

But applying affordable housing options near the outer stops of the MAX is the point of affordable housing. Though I have an issue with reducing apartments to efficiency studios. I do think there is a point where small is too small, I think micro dwellings should be done more on a owner occupied level rather than a developer level.
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Microhomes + Portland = massively overpriced hipster housing. Not even REMOTELY affordable to the working poor or even the working class. These micro homes have been controversial because they have caused parking shortages in neighborhoods where develowithoyut roviding sufficient on-site parking.pers were allowed to build them. I do not have a car, so I am opposed to screwing people without cars by mandating extra (unaffordable to the car-less) parking.
That law has been changed so there is a minimum parking requirement again and it is a low number, which is good because it still keeps costs down and the developer can charge for parking spots for those who need to have a spot rather than have a surplus of private parking.

I do think that apartments below a certain size should have an income limitation and a rent limitation to make it more for low income housing...though there is a such thing as a poor hipster in Portland, and they need housing too.
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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What, if anything, is San Francisco doing to make sure they have housing for the working poor?
Ed Lee announces efforts to ease S.F. housing crisis - SFGate

This is what San Francisco is doing for the working class poor and middle class.
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That's the definition of government control. The PURPOSE for government control. The ideology of the left...
Actually being on the left, I am all for monitoring and policing government to prevent corruption and to punish those that are being caught in corruption.
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Old 02-07-2014, 10:15 PM
 
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So OP, what we have here is a developer who says that if only government wouldnt dictate the size of the units he has to build, and he could build smaller housing, the cost would go down..

Why is that surprising?
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Old 02-08-2014, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I do not have a car, so I am opposed to screwing people without cars by mandating extra (unaffordable to the car-less) parking. The cost of parking should be borne by those with cars, and should not be shifted onto those without cars.
It is very difficult in most cities to unbundle parking from units. And to greatly reduce the number of parking spaces. I support parking free developments. I have a car, but why on earth would I choose somewhere without a dedicated spot. That's stupid. I made my own bed when I have to spend 45 minutes looking for a spot.

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What, if anything, is San Francisco doing to make sure they have housing for the working poor?
A bunch of nothing. People making $100k in SF still need roommates to afford a place. SF isn't building any housing for any workers and now 1 bedrooms are like $3000.

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Ed Lee announces efforts to ease S.F. housing crisis - SFGate

This is what San Francisco is doing for the working class poor and middle class.
Wake me up in 20 years.
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