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What happened in Kiev cannot be compared to a criminal being sentenced to death for murder, according to law. Please. Think before you write something so ridiculous!
It can be used as an example for the exception I was commenting on.
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Originally Posted by whogo
And in the case when the state decides to utilize the death penalty to defend the citizens of the state from internal and/ or external aggressors.
Please understand and follow the conversation before writing something.
not for the initial conviction, that part has to be consistent. i do agree that a higher standard does needt o be applied if one is seeking the death penalty, but that happens in the penalty phase of trial.
Yes, I agree. I meant that, in the guilt/innocence phase, the burden required for a conviction should be the same. However, if there are not multiple pieces of solid physical evidence, a death sentence should never be allowed to be imposed - the state shouldn't seek it or the judge should be able to not allow it and should not.
When it is allowed to be sought and is sought, the jury should be required to look back at the evidence from the guilt/evidence phase and determine that there were in fact multiple pieces of solid physical evidence proving guilt before considering a death sentence or even looking at aggravating/mitigating factors or anything else.
Punishment is also about protecting society. If one of my girls were murdered and their killer sentenced to death (not going to happen as Michigan doesn't have the death penalty), the execution would end everything. It would eliminate any possibility of my daughter's killer escaping and killing again.
I never said punishment wasn't also about protecting society. It's about protecting society, retribution, and rehabilitation. However, the third component shouldn't apply to convicted murderers.
Your entitled to your point of view, but my argument would be at least threefold:
A murderer does not deserve to escape with his/her life.
God says they should be put to death, because murder is a crime against God himself.
It costs society millions to keep people in prison for life, and they enjoy privileges (TV, Internet access, libraries, gymnasiums and other things that make prison life more comfortable). Why should they be allowed to live this way, in a sense, free, while their victim was robbed of life?
Is that the same God who says disobedient children should be taken to the edge of town and stoned to death?
That God?
Except in cases of pregnancy by rape, I think that a man and woman are responsible for what they knew was a possibility of happening. In any case, unwanted pregnancies should be a non-factor a day and age of the pill, morning-after pill, vasectomies and histerectomies (sp?). Every intelligent couple I know has never had an accidental pregnancy. It seems to only happen to irresponsible and/or unintelligent couples.
Your ignorance is showing again.
Hysterectomies are not performed as a method of birth control. If you think they are, I'm surprised you didn't include castration on your list.
Women will usually have a tubal ligation, or in the colloquial, "have their tubes tied."
Slavery is against a person's free will. Roe v Wade was a affirmation of a woman's free will. A free will she has had for eons.
Uh, no it wasn't. It was a determination of when the state had a compelling interest in the unborn, and once the state had that compelling interest it had the power to ban abortion. How in the world is that an "affirmation of a woman's free will"? The moment the court decides the state has a compelling interest then it gets to control what the woman does. That is the exact opposite of affirming the individual's free will.
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