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Old 03-03-2014, 06:34 PM
 
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The Obama cheerleading squad keeps asking what Romney would do. The point is that we wouldn't be where we are today if Romney or even McCain were in charge. Putin would actually consider a potential American response before acting. With Bambi in charge, he knows he can do whatever he wants with no repercussions.

It is analogous to the way King Obama operates outside the Constitution and the rule of law. He fears no consequences from his lemming like supporters. They will not hold him accountable no matter what King Obama does or doesn't do.
Romney and McCain were both for the Iraq War.

Why didn't they know that it would turn out to be disastrous?

 
Old 03-03-2014, 06:36 PM
 
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Romney and McCain were both for the Iraq War.

Why didn't they know that it would turn out to be disastrous?
Stop trolling the thread please.
 
Old 03-03-2014, 06:36 PM
 
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Kindly explain how Putin did this. He precipitated a nationalist Ukranian movement to overthrow the government friendly to Russia and replace it with one friendly to the European union so that he could machinate a revolt in Cremia?

And of course if Romney or Palin was in charge Russia would back right down or we would put a couple of nukes into the Kremlin?

This is one of those instances when the most powerful have to be relatively humble. We are not about to get into an armed conflict with the Russians in the Ukraine. Nor is the European Union. It is simply not a winnable battle. So the response must be on a more universal base and involve sanctions on a global scale. And we help the Ukranians in any way possible to make the Russians miserable in the Ukraine.

I doubt the Russians are very excited about taking over the Ukraine or even parts of it. Set loose a situation far worse and more dangerous than Chechnya.

So we need a deal and so do the Russians. And the US may be in a position to broker it.
UN sanctions? Russia has veto power. So does China, Putin's new BFF.

UK sanctions? Doubtful.

US sanctions? Do you think Obama will convince Harry Reid to draft sanctions?

Also, what is this deal you think America 'needs?'
 
Old 03-03-2014, 06:38 PM
 
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Well he did know that 47% of Americans wouldn't vote for him because they would vote for Santa. Nostradamus Romney was also right about that too.
Santa would be a better president.
 
Old 03-03-2014, 06:40 PM
 
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Stop trolling the thread please.
If you're gonna make them out to be foreign policy geniuses, their decisions are fair game.

Iraq is probably the biggest foreign policy decision in 35 years.

They both got it wrong.

That's not trolling...that's the truth.
 
Old 03-03-2014, 06:54 PM
 
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It seems to be working.



Russian Markets Shudder Under Threat of Sanctions


MOSCOW ”As Russias military secured the Crimean peninsula, its currency hit a record low and its stock market plunged in the face of U.S. and European warnings of sanctions over the incursion into Ukraine.

The Obama administration took the first steps late Monday, suspending military cooperation with Russia as well as talks aimed at boosting trade and investment, in a bid to isolate Moscow.

President Barack Obama said Russia is “on the wrong side of history as well as international law. Further military moves into Ukraine, he warned, “will be a costly proposition for Russia.

The State Department said more punitive measures were likely if Moscow does not pull back, but wouldn't give details. Spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki indicated they would go beyond things like visa freezes to measures with economic bite.

European Union foreign ministers backed off any immediate action on sanctions Monday, but warned the bloc was ready to act within days if Moscow didn't reverse course.

Russian Markets Shudder Under Threat of Sanctions - Wall Street Journal - WSJ.com
 
Old 03-03-2014, 06:58 PM
 
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter View Post
If you're gonna make them out to be foreign policy geniuses, their decisions are fair game.

Iraq is probably the biggest foreign policy decision in 35 years.

They both got it wrong.

That's not trolling...that's the truth.
I think the idea to make it so easy to export nearly every consumer good used in America from China was the biggest foreign policy decision in the last 35 years and that was a bipartisan affair.

Iraq & Afghanistan was done partially to provide stability in the vacuum made by a diminished Russia. If Pakistan and India can get nukes why not Iran & Iraq, too? Or the Taliban, who were earnestly attempting to get nuclear materials. Radical Chechens, too. Honestly, someone had to.
 
Old 03-03-2014, 07:02 PM
 
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Why would he care............??
He cares because although he may be autocratic, Russians are not North Koreans and won't tolerate him ruining their country. Russian GDP and average incomes have increased steadily for the previous 10+ years. Putin may be powerful, but he isn't an absolute ruler and needs to retain the support of Russian citizens, who in turn want to be prosperous.
 
Old 03-03-2014, 07:12 PM
 
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I think America needs a president who could have maybe anticipated this. I mean, it not like it is not like it is hard.

It was so easy, Sarah Palin could do it.
 
Old 03-03-2014, 07:13 PM
 
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I do have to wonder how much the situation in Ukraine mirrors that in Egypt or elsewhere with the so-called opposition being quite unsavory characters and how much meddling there has been from the U.S. or others. I seriously doubt that the news reports that we are given in the west are free from spin and propaganda and Russia here is totally evil, etc.
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