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Old 04-28-2014, 04:34 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Let me get this straight-- You're a conservative but you support government seizure of private land for development by a private Canadian company, if it's good for America (based on the assumption that any business activity is good for America)?
Would you have opposed the building of the Interstate Highway System? I think that was good for America. What do you think?
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:36 PM
 
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Would you have opposed the building of the Interstate Highway System? I think that was good for America. What do you think?
What if it was only for Canadians usage, with 25% being set aside for us?

You're comparing apples and oranges here.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:37 PM
 
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You have it backwards. Shipping by rail is more expensive and dangerous.
These people are clueless. You and I know that. They only know what they are told by like minded Leftists. They're just parrots.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:39 PM
 
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Exactly!
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:43 PM
 
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A pipeline is significantly different from a telephone line. It takes up space on the ground because it's not raised 40 feet in the air, and comes with significant risk of leaks which means pollution of your ground water. The pipeline also has to be accessible to workers from the pipeline company for maintenance and inspection.

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You keep talking about the "significant risk of leaks". Are you telling us that we are not capable of building a pipeline (welding together sections of pipes) that do not leak?

Do the pipes in your home leak?
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:46 PM
 
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The Earth seeps oil all the time......24/7.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:48 PM
 
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Are you suggesting your fellow citizens are that dumb they'll fall for that nonsense?

That is what an oil pipeline looks like in Uzbekistan, NOT in north America unless you look to Alaska where there are miles of the pipeline above the permafrost. The vast majority of your almost 3 million miles of your domestic pipeline, with some being 60 years old, is under the damn ground with the largest proportion of it still being cropped over by farmer's who've been paid for right of way.

In pipelining versus electric transmission lines with towers or poles, the trend is to buy right of way title for the laying of and god-forbid, later emergency access to the pipe under the ground. The company laying the pipe is responsible to make as narrow a corridor and disturb as little of the land as is possible. they are responsible to scrape off the top-soil and keep it separate from underfill so that after the line is laid it gets put back last and the ground is restored to near as previous as possible. In the vast majority of cases crops are planted and cattle graze right over top of the damn thing with no fences to impede this.

Those landowners thusly impacted have signed a deal by which they are compensated for the oil company having unfettered and unrestrained access to the pipline corridor only. They're not out there forcing people off their land. If a pumping transfer/heating station needs a location they try to accommodate that by locating the thing at other than in the middle of a prime acreage for crop planting.

For your edification on underground pipelines versus your idea of pipelines in America here's a link to some maps showing those pipelines already in situe:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=map+o...w=1280&bih=603

Surely you must realize that if all pipelines in the world were of the variety you depicted in your picture you'd have nothing but a country that resembled a rat's nest and would not be able to drive a car one mile without bumping into one of those.

An older but still interesting read about pipelines in general with the little tid-bit about the first domestic long distance pipline, an 8 incher, being laid from Oklahoma to Texas in 1906, it might still be there:

http://www.penspen.com/Downloads/Pap...sPipelines.pdf
Thanks for your post. You are obviously knowledgeable on this topic, much more so than those presenting their silly arguments (which they look up the internet, posted by others who also have no knowledge).

These are your typical Leftists. Clueless, agenda driven, with no real knowledge.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:52 PM
 
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What if it was only for Canadians usage, with 25% being set aside for us?

You're comparing apples and oranges here.
I don't think so. Are you saying that we will get no benefit at all from the oil? We're just doing this to help the Canadians, right?
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:52 PM
 
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"A pipeline is significantly different from a telephone line. It takes up space on the ground because it's not raised 40 feet in the air, and comes with significant risk of leaks which means pollution of your ground water. The pipeline also has to be accessible to workers from the pipeline company for maintenance and inspection.

This is what an oil pipeline looks like:"

I used a telephone poll as an example of granting a right of way. It's my understanding that the pipe for Keystone is going to be buried.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:01 PM
 
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While not desirous of picking nits here; the article I linked in a previous post divulged this bit of info compiled by the USA Association of Oil Pipelines in that Pipeline transmission of oil stocks is 40 ~FORTY times safer than rail tanker and 100 ~ONE HUNDRED times safer than truck tanker.

" Oil pipeline spills amount to about 1 gallon per million barrel-miles, according to the USA Association of Oil Pipelines. One barrel, transported one mile equals one barrel mile, and there are 42 gallons in a barrel. In household terms, this is less than one teaspoon of oil spilled per thousand barrel miles."

Spills happen, but if safety and the environment are of major concern, it flies in the face of common sense to suggest pipelines are more hazardous than either of rail or truck.
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