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Old 05-14-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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It'd help if you would actually try to respond to the issue!

Administration targeting Conservatives .. as elections draw near!

Nowhere can I find where a Republican Admin. targeted Lefties?

You tried but .. try again!
And that is actually the rational complaint. All 501c(4)s should have been taxable if they engaged in politics. And to the extent the IRS failed to shut all down it failed in its role with respect to the statute.

So yes it should have gone after the Tea Party and anyone similar from the left.

It actually went after nobody in the sense of shutting this nonsense down.
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Old 05-14-2014, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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And that is actually the rational complaint. All 501c(4)s should have been taxable if they engaged in politics. And to the extent the IRS failed to shut all down it failed in its role with respect to the statute.

So yes it should have gone after the Tea Party and anyone similar from the left.

It actually went after nobody in the sense of shutting this nonsense down.
Uh, the problem with your reasoning is that none of those targeted groups even got a chance to organize under a 501 .. let alone a 501c(4)!

They were targets and were denied their Rights!

Now for a little lesson:

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The IRS finalized a regulation in 1959 that allows the groups to participate in some political activity as long as politics isn't their primary purpose. Many of the most prominent issue groups have long existed as 501(c)(4)s -- groups like the National Rifle Association and the Sierra Club.
As I said .. The Conservative groups never even received the opportunity to participate!
(Unions .. No problem)
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Old 05-14-2014, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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A series of letters between Senator Levin (D-MI), chairman of the Subcommittee on Investigations, and top IRS officials throughout 2012 discuss how to target conservative groups the senator claimed were “engaged in political activities.”

In response to a Levin March 30 letter citing the “urgency of the issue,” then-Deputy Commissioner Steven Miller assured the senator that IRS regulations were flexible enough to allow IRS agents to “prepare individualized questions and requests” for select 501(c)(4) organizations.


In perhaps the most revealing letter from the IRS to Levin, Miller on June 4, 2012, takes 16 pages to explain to the senator what IRS regulations and policies may and may not be used to evaluate political groups and assures him that the agency has considerable leeway in picking and choosing which groups would be subject to additional scrutiny:
Senator Levin took issue with the way the IRS was interpreting the law and with the treatment of all non-profits, glad someone saw the problem with all the 501c's
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:19 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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They are waiting for their talking points on how to spin this. They will all hit at once as soon as they get their emails.
Okay, I'll bite:

It's Bush's fault
Fox News made it up
But, but, those Koch dudes...


But seriously, all of the media would be reporting this IRS scandal 24/7 if the roles were reversed... it's a travesty.
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:21 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Senator Levin took issue with the way the IRS was interpreting the law and with the treatment of all non-profits, glad someone saw the problem with all the 501c's
Except it wasn't ALL of the non-profits, it was only conservative non-profits.

Worst.talking.point.ever
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:22 PM
 
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Coincidence? I doubt it.

Carl Levin Retiring After Current Term, Will Not Seek Reelection In 2014

Karma baby.
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Except it wasn't ALL of the non-profits, it was only conservative non-profits.

Worst.talking.point.ever
That's not true he has been questioning the treatment of all 501c's involved in political activity, this goes back to 2012. This should be the focus of all our representatives.

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The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) – the organization that grants these
groups their tax-exempt status in the first place – should be protecting the
voting public from these groups that pretend to be acting in the social welfare
but are instead engaging in partisan politics.


The law in this area is clear. 26 U.S.C. §501(c)(4) states that
Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but
operatedexclusively for the promotion of social welfare,or local associations of
employees, the membership of which is limited to the employees of a designated
person or persons in a particular municipality, and the net earnings of which
are devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes”
are exempt from taxation. The word “exclusively” is in the tax code
for a reason. Congress didn’t say “partially,” or “primarily.” We
said that these groups had to be operated “exclusively” for the promotion of
social welfare. The IRS, in writing the implementing regulations to the
statute, said that, “An organization is operated exclusively for the promotion
of social welfare if it is primarily engaged in promoting in some way
the common good and general welfare.” [emphasis added]
By substituting the word “primarily” in the regulation with the word
“exclusively” in the statute, the IRS essentially redefined what Congress
required a social welfare organization to be.


Mr. President, I asked the IRS for an explanation as to why they have not
responded to the increasing growth of groups that parade as social welfare
groups but are obviously organized for politically partisan purposes. In
my letters, I asked the IRS how they interpret the explicit language in the tax
code which says that entities must operate “exclusively” for the promotion of
social welfare, to allow any tax exempt partisan political activity by
501(c)(4) organizations. Their response? That the regulation has
been in place for over 50 years. That’s not an excuse if new abuses
require a review of an IRS regulation.
- See more at: Carl Levin - United States Senator for Michigan: Newsroom - Press Releases
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Uh, the problem with your reasoning is that none of those targeted groups even got a chance to organize under a 501 .. let alone a 501c(4)!

They were targets and were denied their Rights!

Now for a little lesson:



As I said .. The Conservative groups never even received the opportunity to participate!
(Unions .. No problem)
No group was denied their rights, some had more review but all except a few were allowed 501c4 status pending a final determination.
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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78 years old and in this climate he has probably had enough
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:37 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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That's not true he has been questioning the treatment of all 501c's involved in political activity, this goes back to 2012. This should be the focus of all our representatives.


- See more at: Carl Levin - United States Senator for Michigan: Newsroom - Press Releases
You need to try harder.

It has already been discovered that over 80% of the groups targeted were conservative. Or we can believe the scape goat that is covering for Obama. Wonder what embasadorship Obama is going to appoint him to next year for taking the fall.
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