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I don't think we need to Lock anybody up, just ban mentally ill from getting firearms. But then again, I am sure a lot of people still have problems with that.
If he was severely mentally ill and from all reports this is well documented then how did he LEGALLY purchase the guns he did? Why aren't you blaming the gun shops for selling him the guns?
Where do you see he was diagnosed as severely mentally ill? The only reference I see is the fact that he's been in therapy for a long time, and he was suspected as Aspergers but never diagnosed. Please point me to where it was well documented that he was severely mentally ill.
Nope. Look at the IRS scandal. What if our govt decided that being of a certain political persuasion meant you were mentally ill? Not so far fetched, really.
And what is mentally ill anyway? We have a whole generation of kids that have been raised on mood altering drugs. Attention deficit, autistic, Aspergers, bi-polar. Where would it end?
The price was pay for living in a free society is sometimes a high one.
Look at our history. People got committed to mental institutions for far less.
And it was all above board and legal and went through the court system.
I don't think we need to Lock anybody up, just ban mentally ill from getting firearms. But then again, I am sure a lot of people still have problems with that.
How do you keep the mentally ill from obtaining guns?
National mental illness check before buying a gun? NRA would throw a fit
National ID? Republicans would throw a fit
Ban the person to person sale of firearms? NRA would throw a fit.
Its not feasible to say "Just keep them from obtaining guns".
Really the only two options are to ban firearms, which I don't support (although I do understand logical gun control on magazine size, again, not going to fly with 51% of the country, sorry), or we start putting the mentally ill back in facilities to protect the rest of us.
I mean, we could hold parents accountable for their childrens actions, but this was a grown man. He was in college, over 18. His parents were doing everything right, even reported him to the police. What more could they have done?
Its either lock up/make guns illegal, or lock up the mentally ill. There isn't much middle ground. Since guns are a non starter, we have to look at the mentally ill.
The NRA does not stand in the way of keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.
The NRA points out that the only effective way to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, is to keep guns out of the hands of every person on earth.
And the NRA stands in the way of efforts to keep guns out of the hands of every person on earth.... exactly as they should.
And the NRA is trying to re-frame the argument. Their position, that any restrictions on gun ownership or gun access, is useless, is patently untrue.
I fully support the 2nd Amendment. I don't care how many weapons you own, or what your reasons are for having the guns.
But I do care if you are psychotic and violent and you have access to those weapons. I care because I value life, and the people that died this past weekend died for nothing, except to fulfill a mentally-ill person's objectives. That's a terrible waste. And we see such waste too often in this country.
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Obviously we need to do something, don't you think? He needs to realize that California had the most strict gun law, but mentally ill can still get it. That is the reality. How do we solve the problem? Maybe somebody else can answer this question.
You lost all semblance of an argument when you invoked the words "Jim Crow." Your argument was specious and all over the place before, but that last sentence vaulted it into the realm of insanity.
How so? My arguments have been on the same premise from the drop of the flag. It is you who have skirted around things, and just spread the mess out over the counter. The laws and regulations I am addressing ARE analogous to Jim Crow. They discriminate, blatantly, against a single group of people, based on a single criteria, and are used to deny those people their rights. So its not on the basis of skin tone..so what? So sorry ( not) to offend your sensibilities, but if you had ever been on the receiving end of these "laws" you would see the correlation. You label me specious, but not ONCE have you adressed the issues that are the core of my posts. Instead, you flounce off into left field, spouting inanities, that only serve to show a bigoted view of firearms owners. Happily advocating for further discrimination and trampling of peoples rights, using incidents like this one , to justify yourself.
I thought, perhaps, by actually outlining CA gun restrictions, and the manner in which they are applied, it might actually trigger a commentary, or at least a question, as to the actual legitimacy of said "laws". And, how making them even worse, would have stopped a guy like Rodgers. Instead, you reply with righteous indignation to an accurate analogy, and want to say that, based on that analogy, your arguments thus become irrefutable.
So, perhaps, if I simplify a bit....How, does singling out a specific group of people, targeting them with "laws" designed to "legally" violate far more than just 2a rights, confiscate their property, violate their privacy, stigmatize them a d deny them legal recourse, stopping people like Rodgers from committing acts of violence? Other than a giddy feeling that bigots get from seeing their bigotry made law, that is.
Or does taking umbrage with my comparison, and claiming moral high ground, just a convenient excuse to not answer?
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