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Old 05-29-2014, 01:12 PM
 
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Remember this the next time the gun nuts post a thread to only highlight when guns are used defensively. There is over an order of magnitude more cases of criminal gun use.

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According to the Gun Violence Archive, 7,145 people have been injured by gun violence in America and 4,123 have been killed since Jan. 1, 2014. That number includes 14 police officers killed, 447 children injured or killed and 331 instances of defensive gun use.
http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/2014...88400000&_r=2&

That's 11,268 people killed or injured vs just 331 instances of defensive gun use in the whole damn country. It's a completely different scale.

 
Old 05-29-2014, 01:18 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Remember this the next time the gun nuts post a thread to only highlight when guns are used defensively. There is over an order of magnitude more cases of criminal gun use.



http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/2014...88400000&_r=2&

That's 11,268 people killed or injured vs just 331 instances of defensive gun use in the whole damn country. It's a completely different scale.
How many of those are suicides? The reason our gun crime rates look so inflated compared to other countries is that we include suicide in ours (close to 60% of all gun crime btw) where most other countries do not.
 
Old 05-29-2014, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Guns nut love to spout phantom numbers about guns preventing deaths. Few politically spun statistics are as obviously made up/BS as those. Tens of thousands of lives every year are saved because good guys are armed! Let the nonsense begin...
 
Old 05-29-2014, 01:20 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Originally Posted by Think4Yourself View Post
Remember this the next time the gun nuts post a thread to only highlight when guns are used defensively. There is over an order of magnitude more cases of criminal gun use.



http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/2014...88400000&_r=2&

That's 11,268 people killed or injured vs just 331 instances of defensive gun use in the whole damn country. It's a completely different scale.
You really need to check your defensive gun use stats

The Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council released the results of their research through the CDC last month. Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”
CDC Study: Use of Firearms For Self-Defense is

You don't have to shoot someone to use a gun to defend yourself.
 
Old 05-29-2014, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Houston
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This does not include all the times guns have prevented violence without a shot being fired.
 
Old 05-29-2014, 01:23 PM
 
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This does not include all the times guns have prevented violence without a shot being fired.
Nor does it take into account all the gang violence.
 
Old 05-29-2014, 01:26 PM
 
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LOL... use the term "gun nut" and you immediately lack credibility.
 
Old 05-29-2014, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Spokane, WA
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How likely is the OP going to believe ANY statistic that he does not agree with regarding guns? Now, just know that gun owners are just as unlikely to believe any statistic that does not agree with them regarding guns. See how that works? You're on the other side of the same coin. Same. Same way of thinking, same judgements, same prejudics. Same.

Hell, I'm a gun owner and I bet you think about guns more than I do. Do you actually get a little woodrow when you write about guns?
 
Old 05-29-2014, 01:29 PM
 
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Remember this the next time the gun nuts post a thread to only highlight when guns are used defensively. There is over an order of magnitude more cases of criminal gun use.



http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/2014...88400000&_r=2&

That's 11,268 people killed or injured vs just 331 instances of defensive gun use in the whole damn country. It's a completely different scale.
why do you only consider instances where the perp dies when calculating instances of self defense?

 
Old 05-29-2014, 01:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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"Gun Violence Archive" is one guy with a website and a facebook page.

According to his writings, he runs automated programs that search police archives, online newspapers, etc., for mentions of gun usage.

As if someone defending themselves with a gun, would call either a newspaper or a cop to report it afterward.

"Defensive gun usages" should include ALL incidents where someone says to an attempted mugger, "Back off, I have a gun." or, pulls out the gun, whereupon the attacker runs away. Or fires a warning shot, same result.

This "Gun Violence Archives" person carefully avoids all such mentions.

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President Obama issued a number of Executive Orders about guns. One of them gave money to the Center for Disease Control, to study what happens when people own guns.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1

The study that resulted, showed that far more crimes were deterred by private people with their own guns, than were committed.

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A study done by the U.S. Dept. of Justice under the Clinton administration in the 1990s, found that 3.1 million people reported using a gun defensively to stop or deter crime in the year 1994 alone. Many of them reported multiple uses, with a total of 23 million incidents of Defensive Gun Usage that year.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Such uses include times when the gun was only mentioned, times when the gun was produced in view of the criminal, times when it was fired with no one injured, times when the criminal was injured, and times when the criminal was killed. Of course, in the large majority of incidents, the gun was not fired, or was deliberately fired into the air (warning shot). In the vast majority of incidents, the criminal(s) either fled, or surrendered and was taken into custody.

The study states flatly that "guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime."

Other studies by other groups, including a recent one by the Obama administration, have shown similar patterns.

As you can probably guess, these studies have received very little coverage in the mainstream media.

These results compile only the people who freely admitted to a stranger calling on the phone and saying he was from the government, that they had used their gun to defend themselves in a crime incident. The number of people who declined to answer, is not included.
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