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Trapping kids in failing public schools that resist improvement, Ã la the Democrats' politically expedient modus operandi, won't cut it. Even Michelle Rhee, a lifelong Democrat AND an education reformer, agrees. She's pro-voucher, just like 2/3 of Black and Hispanic adults.
Stop with your strawmen. I'm not interested in hearing about Democrats. This conversation is about solutions.
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Inadequate response. We already know that not one single state educates even half of its public school students to grade-level proficiency. Your solution still leaves far too many under-educated.
My response was the same response as yours (highlighted in red).
Furthermore, you said it is the bottom dragging down the states. Suburban public school systems are pretty good. The inner city school systems struggle. Like I said, open up the county to allow parents to seek out schools that are a good fit for their children.
You left out Chicago with its strongest anti gun laws and has the highest murderer rate with guns.
What I find interesting and disingenous about this argument is that Chicago had a lot of its gun regulations struck down by the far right supreme court and after that the murder rate skyrocket. Yet Republicans love to point this out as how gun control doesn't work, while clearly ignoring the fact that in McDonald v. Chicago the SCOTUS got rid of a fair amount of Chicago's tough gun laws.
What I find interesting and disingenous about this argument is that Chicago had a lot of its gun regulations struck down by the far right supreme court and after that the murder rate skyrocket. Yet Republicans love to point this out as how gun control doesn't work, while clearly ignoring the fact that in McDonald v. Chicago the SCOTUS got rid of a fair amount of Chicago's tough gun laws.
For all of Chicago's gun homocide media propaganda, its per capita gun homocide rate is roughly the national average.
Stop with your strawmen. I'm not interested in hearing about Democrats. This conversation is about solutions.
Then why is your "solution" to keep kids trapped in the very same public schools that are failing to educate even half of our country's students to grade-level proficiency?
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Furthermore, you said it is the bottom dragging down the states.
No, I said it's the bottom students dragging down everyone else. And why does that happen? Because public schools foolishly mix students of widely varying skill/ability levels in the same classroom, and then teach to the level of the struggling students.
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Suburban public school systems are pretty good.
Not really. Oh, I know people like to think their suburban public schools are good, but that's really just a sick, sick joke.
MI: GOP governor & legislature
LA: GOP gov & leg
OH: GOP gov & leg
MO: Dem gov & GOP leg
MS: GOP gov & leg
NJ: GOP gov & Dem leg
But it's very convenient to move the goalposts into a narrow favorable position when your goal is to simply bash.
Carry on.
What? No one is moving goal post except you. I never made any claims about the states themselves.
Yes, MI has a GOP governor, and crime outside of Detroit isn't bad, in fact, the suburbs of Detroit are doing great in terms of crime. Same with New Jersey, and Mississippi. The crime is out of control in the liberal centers of those states, which this list shows.
It does depress me. . .that people make the above posts. It is like they have no basic understanding of how to critical weigh evidence, filter through facts, and make hypothesis and come to educated guesses.
I mean did Finn Cool ever ONCE stop to consider that people who fall victim to gun violence (poverty, race, education, etc) just happen to vote democratic? if rich people voted Republican and poor people vote democratic. . .that would result in gun violence aligned with democratic.
Yet . . .it doesn't mean that Democrats are creating gun violence
Come on. . people - can we try to use that thing between your ears?
Yet . . .it doesn't mean that Democrats are creating gun violence
What? You wasted your time typing all of that and scouring google for pictures when I never even argued the above? Typical liberal tactic, invent an argument when you don't have one.
I never ever said "Democrats are creating gun violence". Next time take a basic reading comprehension class at your local elementary school. Thanks.
Then one must look at demographic differences...
What is the common denominator that we see as the difference?
Don't look too hard, or you will go color blind, for the sake of being called a racist.
Why would you be racist? There is a huge issue with racial barriers in cities with higher crime rates that has nothing to do with politics or gun laws.
If you removed Flint, Detroit, Oakland, New Orleans, Newark, and Baltimore from gun homicide statistics, the U.S gun murder rate per capita would be very close to Europe which practically has no guns in the hands of private citizens!
And if you removed the places where the most gun crimes happened from the European markets, we'd be back at #1.
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to keep kids trapped in the very same public schools that are failing to educate even half of our country's students to grade-level proficiency? 
