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Old 07-11-2014, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The school has no rules that they have to follow. They simple say you are too old unless you can prove otherwise...which is what they do. Just a story a few month ago about a lady in the midwest who was in her early thirties trying to pass. They bounced her.

The purported kid can take the school to court...but they will end up having to prove their age.

The mere fact of being Central American does not prevent the presentation of good age records. They are reasonable easy to come by.
Yes they do. All schools have to follow Federal guidelines for admitting students.
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Old 07-11-2014, 08:15 PM
 
Location: mancos
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Cant believe some idiots still believe local schools can operate outside of the federal masters.They own you and your children.you loose
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Old 07-11-2014, 08:18 PM
 
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Yes they do. All schools have to follow Federal guidelines for admitting students.
Bull..Cite a source. You folk just can't get over the fact locals have lots of discretion.
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Old 07-11-2014, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The school has no rules that they have to follow. They simple say you are too old unless you can prove otherwise...which is what they do. Just a story a few month ago about a lady in the midwest who was in her early thirties trying to pass. They bounced her.

The purported kid can take the school to court...but they will end up having to prove their age.

The mere fact of being Central American does not prevent the presentation of good age records. They are reasonable easy to come by.
You're talking about 50,000 UACs that the DHS/ICE have allowed to stay.
They are not requesting any paperwork from their home countries.

That is the reality we have today.
They tell DHS they are 15, then they are 15 as far as paperwork goes.

And recall the DOJ sent letters to all the schools this past May that schools cannot discriminate based on immigrant status.


Taxpayers Expected to Pay for Illegal-Immigrant Children's Education | National Review Online


They can't demand paperwork that doesn't exist.
That can be construed as discrimination based on their "refugee" status.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/edu...ylerletter.pdf
A school district may not bar a student from enrolling in its schools because he or she lacks a birth certificate or has records that indicate a foreign place of birth, such as a foreign birth certificate.
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Old 07-11-2014, 08:25 PM
 
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You're talking about 50,000 UACs that the DHS/ICE have allowed to stay.
They are not requesting any paperwork from their home countries.

That is the reality we have today.
They tell DHS they are 15, then they are 15 as far as paperwork goes.

And recall the DOJ sent letters to all the schools this past May that schools cannot discriminate based on immigrant status.


Taxpayers Expected to Pay for Illegal-Immigrant Children's Education | National Review Online


They can't demand paperwork that doesn't exist.
That can be construed as discrimination based on their "refugee" status.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/edu...ylerletter.pdf
A school district may not bar a student from enrolling in its schools because he or she lacks a birth certificate or has records that indicate a foreign place of birth, such as a foreign birth certificate.
You have to do better. Not one word of that bears on suspicion of overage. A district can and should turn down a student who appears overage and allow the student to prove the age.

You right wingers just love to invent non problems to prove your point particularly when it is not true.
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Old 07-11-2014, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You have to do better. Not one word of that bears on suspicion of overage. A district can and should turn down a student who appears overage and allow the student to prove the age.

You right wingers just love to invent non problems to prove your point particularly when it is not true.
I just linked the letter the DOJ sent to all schools saying they cannot require birth certificates.

And you say.."you have to do better".

Can't deal with the strong arm of the Fed can you....


Here it is again..DOJ and DOE on the top of the letterhead.
Sent to all schools last May.

As many say..the USG knew this was going to happen.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/edu...ylerletter.pdf
A school district may not bar a student from enrolling in its schools because he or she lacks a birth certificate or has records that indicate a foreign place of birth, such as a foreign birth certificate.
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Old 07-11-2014, 08:51 PM
 
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Despite the noise about the rah-rah 50's, 20% of the population lived in dire poverty.
Once again, what is your point.

Who said the 50's were rah rah. I was merely pointing out that when they accelerated working
visas, illegal workers became legal workers by changing the immigration laws to match why
folks came then.

But, make no mistake about it, there were more jobs post WW II, than any time in history. I am assuming the illegals want "jobs" here. They can't expect to be on the government dole for forever, or can they..

We have had dire poverty in America more than just in the '50's. Remember the 1930's after the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl...

We don't have all the jobs for all those that want to come at this present time. A lot of those "kids" will be young adults very shortly. Where are they going to work?
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Old 07-11-2014, 08:57 PM
 
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The school has no rules that they have to follow. They simple say you are too old unless you can prove otherwise...which is what they do. Just a story a few month ago about a lady in the midwest who was in her early thirties trying to pass. They bounced her.

The purported kid can take the school to court...but they will end up having to prove their age.

The mere fact of being Central American does not prevent the presentation of good age records. They are reasonable easy to come by.
Exactly what part of "The Rules are different, if you are an Illegal Alien", do you not understand?
Have you ever tried to get on a USA Domestic Flight with NO identification? Do you really think that the TSA is just going to "take your word" that you should be allowed to get on the Flight with NO identification? Good Luck on that one. The "rules" are suspended for all those Illegals based ONLY on what they claim to be the facts .... they are NOT required to show anything. They literally get a "Free" ride and get to bypass the Rules that US Citizens have to follow.

The same is true for entering Schools. Taxpayer financed Lawyers will be their Advocates and Cities, Towns and States will be forced to support them.
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Old 07-11-2014, 09:15 PM
 
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They literally get a "Free" ride and get to bypass the Rules that US Citizens have to follow.

The same is true for entering Schools. Taxpayer financed Lawyers will be their Advocates and Cities, Towns and States will be forced to support them.
That just plain sucks. Something is going to have to be done about it.
I know Force everyone in Congress to revise the bill ASAP.
Then, in November, vote everyone out of Congress that voted for the bill that made ^^^^possible.
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Old 07-11-2014, 09:25 PM
 
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Exactly what part of "The Rules are different, if you are an Illegal Alien", do you not understand?
Have you ever tried to get on a USA Domestic Flight with NO identification? Do you really think that the TSA is just going to "take your word" that you should be allowed to get on the Flight with NO identification? Good Luck on that one. The "rules" are suspended for all those Illegals based ONLY on what they claim to be the facts .... they are NOT required to show anything. They literally get a "Free" ride and get to bypass the Rules that US Citizens have to follow.

The same is true for entering Schools. Taxpayer financed Lawyers will be their Advocates and Cities, Towns and States will be forced to support them.
More garbage. The product and customers of the federal government do any number of things denied to mere mortals...nothing new. I once flew a United 747 and the guy in the other seat was a federal employee. It was before 9/11 but even then it could not happen..but it did.

On the other side that federal blanket does not pass out of the federal domain. And schools are outside of that domain. Believe what you will as the right does...but no there is no one who forces a school to accept a 35 year old fourth grader. It is is just more right wing fantasy. Never happened and if it should the locals should fire their school commission.
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