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no woman should be forced to give birth against her will. "murder" you need a dictionary.
If she has been raped, no. If the mother's medical condition is such that her life is in danger, no. If it's bikini season and she decides that healthy five month baby bump has become an inconvenience and just needs to be aborted away.... then what?
For anyone and everyone discussing this debate, once they consider "human life" to have begun then abortion is off the table. Some on the extreme right say life begins at conception, and any form of abortion is the same as murder. Some on the extreme left say that life begins at first breath, and any form of pre-breath abortion is morally acceptable. An extremist is an extremist. Fortunately, the majority of people fall somewhere in the middle. SCOTUS (Roe v. Wade) says that abortions may not be restricted before viability, or when the fetus can survive outside the womb. At this point, pregnancy is nothing more than a matter of location. If the fetus is inside the womb, it is a fetus. If it is moved from inside the womb to outside, it magically transforms into a protected baby. Unprotected mass of cells to protected human simply by relocating it about 12-inches. There have been successful prosecutions of doctors who performed illegal post-viability abortions.
Personally, I believe that life begins at the point where recognizable brain waves can be detected (about the end of the 1st trimester). I cannot answer your poll, because I consider abortion acceptable before this point and unacceptable after this point.
For what it's worth, most state laws follow SCOTUS and limit abortions to pre-viability, which is somewhere around the 20-week range.
Casper was saying that fetuses can be aborted because they are not self-aware. But, neither are infants.
I'm pro-choice, but I was just saying that Casper was wrong on that point.
Eggs from endangered turtles, or fish, birds and lizards are not self aware either, but we have laws against killing or eating them, or even keeping them as pets.
Eggs from endangered turtles, or fish, birds and lizards are not self aware either, but we have laws against killing or eating them, or even keeping them as pets.
Eh, humans aren't exactly endangered anyways.
But abortion should only be used a last resort. Sex education needs to be overhauled, and contraceptives should be made more available.
For anyone and everyone discussing this debate, once they consider "human life" to have begun then abortion is off the table. Some on the extreme right say life begins at conception, and any form of abortion is the same as murder. Some on the extreme left say that life begins at first breath, and any form of pre-breath abortion is morally acceptable. An extremist is an extremist. Fortunately, the majority of people fall somewhere in the middle. SCOTUS (Roe v. Wade) says that abortions may not be restricted before viability, or when the fetus can survive outside the womb. At this point, pregnancy is nothing more than a matter of location. If the fetus is inside the womb, it is a fetus. If it is moved from inside the womb to outside, it magically transforms into a protected baby. Unprotected mass of cells to protected human simply by relocating it about 12-inches. There have been successful prosecutions of doctors who performed illegal post-viability abortions.
Personally, I believe that life begins at the point where recognizable brain waves can be detected (about the end of the 1st trimester). I cannot answer your poll, because I consider abortion acceptable before this point and unacceptable after this point.
For what it's worth, most state laws follow SCOTUS and limit abortions to viability, which is somewhere around the 20-week range.
Except that we have people within these forums, who think that until a baby takes it's first breath, it's not a human being with any rights. A few others will say that even if during a late term abortion, if the child is born alive, if the mother wanted it killed, then it should be killed or allowed to die.
So we have people who think the moment of conception is the line, others think even after birth there is still a line to drawn.
Actually that is untrue, once a fetus develops a functional brain they react to all sort of stimuli and if delevered prematurely they are capable of the same thought processes as any other baby. Once again do some research on the topic of brain development.
They also react from pain. That too has been proven.
There must be a difference of opinion somewhere. Scott Peterson was convicted on two counts of murder for killing his pregnant wife.
But the SCOTUS has ruled abortion as legal and not prosecutable under murder.
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