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View Poll Results: Should we stop sending people/aid to Ebola infected nations?
Yes 92 42.59%
No 95 43.98%
Other 17 7.87%
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Old 08-06-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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I worry about the same

EVEN if it's NOT airborne , when you use the bathroom on a plane , who knows if the person before you washed their hands properly or coughed / sneezed - spread germs other ways that you couldn't avoid coming into contact with ? !!!

Or brought home to your family ?
1 - The Ebola virus is not spread why the person is asymptomatic
2 - people who have caught Ebola so far are: 1) ate bats 2) relatives who have traditions such as washing the body 3) health care workers

So for an Airplane to be a concern. . .
1 - the person would have to be sick. Fever. maybe just a lot of diarrhea.
2 - you would have to touch the virus/contagion and then touch a opening in your body. . .
3 - your chance of being on a plane with the virus is worse than winning the lottery. Seriously, do you worry about asteroids hitting the plane in route? Solar storm shutting off its power?

A good handwash after using a restroom on a flight would cut your chances to nill

So dying from a bad burger, cutting a finger on a rusty nail, bitten by a rabid Bat. . .all so much higher than Ebola.


Sometimes you need to stop and disregard your human fallacies and think logically about these things. I know its scary. That doesn't matter. You HAVE BETTER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT

 
Old 08-06-2014, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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You are incorrect. I've already posted this earlier in the thread. Dr. Brantley was following very strict protocols:


You can follow strict protocols all you like, these people are still human. What happened to him is tragic but its not unheard of, you can be perfect 99% of the time....and that 1% of the time that you aren't, it will bite you. The caregivers in these situations face the highest risk of infection possible, they're constantly surrounded by sick patients, exposed to their blood, feces, vomit...etc. They work long hours in hot and cramped conditions.



That said, every single health care professional that has died from Ebola during this outbreak has been a native. There are groups like the WHO and MSF with dozens of doctors working directly in the hottest areas and still not coming down with the disease. The risk is there, even for the most well-trained professionals but generally the ones falling ill are the native health care professionals, many of whom lack appropriate training.
 
Old 08-06-2014, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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No US carrier flies to Liberia, Sierra Leone or Guinea ( not to be confused with Papua New Guinea).

I believe both Delta and UAL fly non stop from the US to Lagos, the largest city in Africa. Every major European and Asian carrier also fly to Lagos.
Once again - does it really matter what name is on the tail of an airplane, if you book a flight on US Airways or United, go to a US airport, and board that plane headed for Sierra Leone or Liberia, or Guinea, or Gabon, or Equatorial Guinea, etc? You're still going through international airports on US soil to and from those countries. And like I said, there are non stop flights from the US straight through to Lagos, Nigeria - and there are more confirmed and suspected cases of Ebola cropping up in Lagos as we speak.

I am not panicking, or changing travel plans, or anything like that. I'm being a responsible traveler however, by monitoring the situation.
 
Old 08-06-2014, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Yeah, she posted the wrong link but corrected that to show many flights still going to affected countries.
Air France and Belgium Air continue to fly to the most affected countries, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea and do so from their own airports.

Shall we refuse all flights from Europe and Asia?

How about cruise ships, too?
 
Old 08-06-2014, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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You can follow strict protocols all you like, these people are still human. What happened to him is tragic but its not unheard of, you can be perfect 99% of the time....and that 1% of the time that you aren't, it will bite you. The caregivers in these situations face the highest risk of infection possible, they're constantly surrounded by sick patients, exposed to their blood, feces, vomit...etc. They work long hours in hot and cramped conditions.



That said, every single health care professional that has died from Ebola during this outbreak has been a native. There are groups like the WHO and MSF with dozens of doctors working directly in the hottest areas and still not coming down with the disease. The risk is there, even for the most well-trained professionals but generally the ones falling ill are the native health care professionals, many of whom lack appropriate training.
well, that is 3 million Americans right there.
 
Old 08-06-2014, 10:40 AM
 
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Air France and Belgium Air continue to fly to the most affected countries, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea and do so from their own airports.

Shall we refuse all flights from Europe and Asia?

How about cruise ships, too?
Embargo the infected countries.

EM-BAR-GO!

EM-BAR-GO!

Leave Iran alone!
 
Old 08-06-2014, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Thank you! Honestly, I'm beginning to suspect these are CDC plants here to stop people from panicking. It's making me even more uneasy how many people apparently think this is nothing to worry about. I'm not buying the sandwich board just yet, but still this is not something to dismiss.
Seriously?
These are the same people who have been posting here for years.
Yes, we're CDC plants, carefully nurtured by the CDC and installed here years ago, for just such an event.
You know, just in case of an Ebola outbreak.
 
Old 08-06-2014, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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well, that is 3 million Americans right there.



Your math needs work.
 
Old 08-06-2014, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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No US carrier flies to Liberia, Sierra Leone or Guinea ( not to be confused with Papua New Guinea).

I believe both Delta and UAL fly non stop from the US to Lagos, the largest city in Africa. Every major European and Asian carrier also flies to Lagos.
However you want to label it, Delta (a US carrier) is directly involved in flights to Monrovia, Liberia.

Ebola Crisis Spurs Passenger Checks as Airlines Still Fly - Bloomberg

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Delta Air Lines Inc. said travelers are being checked at the airport in Monrovia, Liberia, one of the countries hit by Ebola.

Keeping the disease from spreading via air traffic is a focus for medical officials grappling with 1,603 infections and 887 deaths since March. Only two airlines have suspended flights to West Africa so far, with British Airways opting yesterday to join Gulf carrier Emirates in pulling back.
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Delta, the lone U.S. carrier with its own service to the Ebola-hit region, said customers whose flights are delayed or canceled due to health checks will get a refund. It’s also waiving fees for those who want to change flights, including connections to Freetown, Sierra Leone; Conakry, Guinea; and three locations in Nigeria.
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The risk: With connecting flights, an infected flier could leave one of the afflicted countries, be in close contact with travelers in two or three jet cabins in a matter of hours, and disembark half a world away.
 
Old 08-06-2014, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Maryland's 6th District.
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The missus is a head microbiologist at NIH. She has some concern with the two patients arriving at Emory, but other than that....while the NIH is not the CDC she does work with and sees some very interesting stuff. She's not too worried about this.
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