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Old 08-15-2014, 08:09 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Some people are worried that if the Hispanic population keeps growing that crime will grow as well. Hispanics commit more crimes as a percent of their population than whites or asians. They also have a lower high school graduation rate.

What that means is an increase in the number of criminals and high school drop outs. We will have less people to fill higher paying occupations. It will be an increase in poor people and criminals.

Unless someone can come up with a solution to graduate more hispanics and lower the crime rate.
So are the Irish and the undesirable immigrants from eastern Europe are still causing the same problems from the late 19th and early 20th century?
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Old 08-15-2014, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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So are the Irish and the undesirable immigrants from eastern Europe are still causing the same problems from the late 19th and early 20th century?
Yes and no, they are not suppressing wages, but they have turned the North East into a one party region of the nation that is starting to resemble the same politics which made this nations so unlivable to be the point their forefathers had to leave.
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Old 08-15-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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Yes and no, they are not suppressing wages, but they have turned the North East into a one party region of the nation that is starting to resemble the same politics which made this nations so unlivable to be the point their forefathers had to leave.
If we only let in immigrants that subscribe to the conservative dogma we will have to limit ourselves to the middle east and parts of Africa.
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Old 08-15-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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Yes and no, they are not suppressing wages,
Well now they aren't.... That was a criticism, along with most of yours and your ilk, then. It took successive generations but now people aren't complaining about the Irish and Polish folks and other scary eastern Europeans.

Same poop, different decade.
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but they have turned the North East into a one party region of the nation
The NE is one of the largest megalopolises, population wise and economic wise, in the world. The NE is scary liberal to you because density favors progressive folks.

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that is starting to resemble the same politics which made this nations so unlivable to be the point their forefathers had to leave.
You're confusing slowing population and economic growth with being a 3rd world country....

Geeze..... read a book sometimes. Or travel.

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Old 08-15-2014, 08:45 PM
 
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If we only let in immigrants that subscribe to the conservative dogma we will have to limit ourselves to the middle east and parts of Africa.
These folks just have poor understanding of American and World history, more like selective American history.
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Old 08-15-2014, 09:40 PM
 
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Well now they aren't.... That was a criticism, along with most of yours and your ilk, then. It took successive generations but now people aren't complaining about the Irish and Polish folks and other scary eastern Europeans.

Same poop, different decade.




The NE is one of the largest megalopolises, population wise and economic wise, in the world. The NE is scary liberal to you because density favors progressive folks.



You're confusing slowing population and economic growth with being a 3rd world country....

Geeze..... read a book sometimes. Or travel.
Legal aliens ain't the problem. ILLEGAL aliens ARE. Cut off MOST illegal immigration and that will def slow down or stop the "minority-majority" nonsense. Even tho many legal aliens would still be "Hispanic", they're MUCH more likely to drop their old ways AND become "American" compared to the illegal kind.
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:42 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Legal aliens ain't the problem. ILLEGAL aliens ARE. Cut off MOST illegal immigration and that will def slow down or stop the "minority-majority" nonsense. Even tho many legal aliens would still be "Hispanic", they're MUCH more likely to drop their old ways AND become "American" compared to the illegal kind.
And you think we didn't have illegal immigration before when we had less border and immigration security?

Illegal immigrants actually don't make up a significant sector of the population, around 5%. Most first generation immigrants don't assimilate.... it's the 2nd and 3rd. Quite a lot of perfectly "american pie" Hispanics living in America. You don't seem to have a good grasp on the issue.
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:53 AM
 
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So are the Irish and the undesirable immigrants from eastern Europe are still causing the same problems from the late 19th and early 20th century?
Of course not. They assimilated. That used to be how things worked. You moved to a new country and assimilated into the existing culture. They didn't print government forms and street signs or teach school in other languages. They didn't encourage multiculturalism. They didn't suspend American schoolkids for displaying American flags on the holidays of other countries. They didn't teach American history as the history of the white man's oppression over the rest of the world. They didn't give other races preferences in government contracts, small business loans, or university entrance. 100 years ago if you moved to America you were expected to learn the language, get a job through merit and skill, and raise your children as Americans.
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:56 AM
 
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Of course not. They assimilated. That used to be how things worked. You moved to a new country and assimilated into the existing culture. They didn't print government forms and street signs or teach school in other languages. They didn't encourage multiculturalism. They didn't suspend American schoolkids for displaying American flags on the holidays of other countries. They didn't teach American history as the history of the white man's oppression over the rest of the world. They didn't give other races preferences in government contracts, small business loans, or university entrance. 100 years ago if you moved to America you were expected to learn the language, get a job through merit and skill, and raise your children as Americans.
Thank you..And if you did not you just went back to where every you came from.
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Old 08-16-2014, 02:47 AM
 
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Of course not. They assimilated. That used to be how things worked. You moved to a new country and assimilated into the existing culture.
They didn't assimilate until multiple generations, nothing has changed. We've had a large immigration these past 3 decades with a lot of first generation

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They didn't print government forms and street signs or teach school in other languages.
They didn't have printers back then either.....

Most immigrant groups had their own schools.... You nativists don't remember the rise in Catholic schools in the early to mid 20th century from all Catholic Irish and Eastern Europeans....

I think you'd have a brain aneurysm if the same stuff occurred.....

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They didn't encourage multiculturalism.
Oh the horror.....

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They didn't suspend American schoolkids for displaying American flags on the holidays of other countries.
Were they being @ssholes about it.... I need a detailed incident report.

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They didn't teach American history as the history of the white man's oppression over the rest of the world.
Link to that course please....

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They didn't give other races preferences in government contracts, small business loans, or university entrance.
That's more of a state's right consequence of Jim Crow laws......

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100 years ago if you moved to America you were expected to learn the language, get a job through merit and skill, and raise your children as Americans.
Not at all. That's just some lie or fantasy you've made up. America has always had waves of immigrants who always took multiple generations to become fully assimilated. Over 200 years ago this country had a black slave population large enough to make the founders count them as 3/5 a person to appease Southern states.

Don't talk to me about "back then" when clearly you have zero clue.
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