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Old 08-30-2014, 08:52 AM
 
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Except it isn't an answer just to insult someone...
You accused me (and many others) of having not read / listened / paid attention, as the reason we disagree with you.
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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If 'these welfare programs' are the subsidies given to Big Oil, Big Farm and Big Pharm...the left complains about them all the time. We've been saying for years that the real welfare queens are corporations who benefit from gov't money, low rents for gov't lands, and tax giveaways of appalling proportions. Not to mention paying their employees so little that We the People subsidize their income through food stamps, etc.

Maybe you just haven't been listening.
Maybe Burger King and 20 other corporations really have been listening?
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:57 AM
 
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They don't complain about corporate profits, they complain about corporate welfare. Also, not paying a living wage when they could well afford to.
Define "living wage". You can't. You'll throw things around like "enough to pay rent, food and other bills", but everyone's "living wage" is different. Live within your means. Move if you need to. YOU are responsible for YOU, not your employer.

Obama is the biggest supporter of corporate welfare that there has ever been.
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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I would not mind them keeping the money, if they paid their entry level employees better, they haven't and they won't.
Why should they? They give them a job. Entry level positions are usually a dime-a-dozen type jobs anyway. If the entry level job seeker isn't satisfied with the salary offered, he/she are free to go elsewhere and seek their entry level fortune. It's not a company's responsibility to cater to an employee.
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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It may not be my business, but big corporations are making record profits and I think they can afford to pay their entry level employees a decent wage.
Are you sitting on any corporate board as CEO?
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Old 08-30-2014, 09:13 AM
 
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Why should they? They give them a job. Entry level positions are usually a dime-a-dozen type jobs anyway. If the entry level job seeker isn't satisfied with the salary offered, he/she are free to go elsewhere and seek their entry level fortune. It's not a company's responsibility to cater to an employee.
True capitalist societies have no imposed barriers to entry into business for yourself - meaning a vast number of self employed - this ability to move between employed by someone else... or be in business for yourself, is the best way to ensure good paying employment - and no monopolies.

However, we have destroyed our entrepreneurial ability, by raising the dollar cost of time (merely just living) to the point where nobody without serious money up front can start their own enterprise. Regulation and taxation have raised the cost of simply existing, and made subsistence living impossible.

Think about all the costs that have been imposed - for which you must generate DOLLARS, or become destitute and homeless..

The median tax on a home in Illinois is $300 / MONTH. There are houses in Harvey (and many other places) you can buy for $5000 and up. scores of homes under $30,000 and if you could get a loan, make loan payments you could afford, even on minimum wage. Except you can't?

Why? Because all these houses have taxes which are anywhere from equal to 3 times the house payment.

And, because the city won't let you buy the house unless you deposit in a cash bond, enough money to repair them to the city's standard before you buy. That's enough cash to PAY A CONTRACTOR to do it.

And we wonder why all these low income dumps around Chicago are full of renters who trash their home and the town.

"Cash for clunkers" had the effect of raising the price of a usable used car by 10 to 50%.

We have created myriad laws all designed to make anything but living by a large stream of money impossible.
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Old 08-30-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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You accused me (and many others) of having not read / listened / paid attention, as the reason we disagree with you.
That wasn't an 'accusation'...it was a suggestion.

Why do you always assume everything is an attack? Such anger...
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Old 08-30-2014, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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Define "living wage". You can't. You'll throw things around like "enough to pay rent, food and other bills", but everyone's "living wage" is different. Live within your means. Move if you need to. YOU are responsible for YOU, not your employer.

Obama is the biggest supporter of corporate welfare that there has ever been.
Indeed. A family that is considered poor today usually has a large screen TV, a couple of smart phones, maybe a tablet or game console. I just heard on a news program where some states have entitlement programs that pay out the equivalent of a job paying $20.00 per hour. Sometimes our definition of "poor" might require a bit of revision.
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Old 08-30-2014, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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True capitalist societies have no imposed barriers to entry into business for yourself - meaning a vast number of self employed - this ability to move between employed by someone else... or be in business for yourself, is the best way to ensure good paying employment - and no monopolies.

However, we have destroyed our entrepreneurial ability, by raising the dollar cost of time (merely just living) to the point where nobody without serious money up front can start their own enterprise. Regulation and taxation have raised the cost of simply existing, and made subsistence living impossible.

Think about all the costs that have been imposed - for which you must generate DOLLARS, or become destitute and homeless..

The median tax on a home in Illinois is $300 / MONTH. There are houses in Harvey (and many other places) you can buy for $5000 and up. scores of homes under $30,000 and if you could get a loan, make loan payments you could afford, even on minimum wage. Except you can't?

Why? Because all these houses have taxes which are anywhere from equal to 3 times the house payment.

And, because the city won't let you buy the house unless you deposit in a cash bond, enough money to repair them to the city's standard before you buy. That's enough cash to PAY A CONTRACTOR to do it.

And we wonder why all these low income dumps around Chicago are full of renters who trash their home and the town.

"Cash for clunkers" had the effect of raising the price of a usable used car by 10 to 50%.

We have created myriad laws all designed to make anything but living by a large stream of money impossible.
I would be willing to bet you that the increase in food costs are a direct byproduct of food stamps.

I also agree that my own home insurance policy's face amount is some $70K more than what the local realtors claim they could get for my house yet my insurance company swears that is the amount it would cost them to rebuild my house. I do get some tax breaks on my house because I get the homestead exemption and am over 65 years of age.

Indeed it is more difficult to go into business now than it was back when I went into business but it is still being done. It would be difficult for anyone to have enough money laid back to see themselves and their families though say a year's time while starting and getting their business on a stable footing. It should continue to be something to work for though because the payoff sure beats working for someone else and hoping for a thirty cents an hour pay raise.
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Old 08-30-2014, 10:14 AM
 
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Liberals are happy when their are unhappy and create drama to remain unhappy to manufacture issues to solve.
Unhappy people are drawn to Liberalism. That's why HOPE & CHANGE was such an effective campaign slogan.
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