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Old 09-18-2014, 12:06 PM
 
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You know, when you look at how far the Republican Party has fallen, when their standard bearer is George Walker Bush, you begin to understand why these people are so angry all the time. Who can blame them? They have no one and nothing to be proud of.
oh Danny boy.... dear soul... Im gonna send my time machine over to pick you up and drive you back to the future...
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Old 09-18-2014, 12:16 PM
 
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Amazing how propaganda you agree with does that. You probably feel the same way reading Huffpo and MSNBC.
Yeah...kinda like the way you feel when you read the Bible (speaking of silly literature).
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Old 09-18-2014, 12:16 PM
 
Location: North Idaho
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You are proud to be associated with the President that sent over 100,000 Japanese American's to prison camps merely because of their ancestry.

You are proud to be associated with the President who bullied the Supreme Court into accepting his unconstitutional programs.

You are proud to be associated with the first President who was so arrogant and drunk with power that he served for 4 terms.

You are proud to be associated with a President that routinely transgressed against his wedding vows.

Yup, lots to be proud of there ...

Dave
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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You forgot the most disgusting part about the collectivists...they truly believe that they are superior to their fellow man, as if they are Gods.
More like "as if they have more than two brain cells to rub together".
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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How Christian of you.

Isn't it, though?
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:16 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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I don't think Christ was into initiating force against his fellow man...
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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Yeah...kinda like the way you feel when you read the Bible (speaking of silly literature).

Well, not quite. Bible stories have their roots in history, whereas HuffPo and MSNBC have their roots in Fantasyland.
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:20 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I don't think Christ was into initiating force against his fellow man...
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”

—Luke 22:36
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Old 09-18-2014, 02:02 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Taxes for purposes of redistributing wealth are immoral and wrong, and redistribution of wealth is a modern idea, not thousands of years old. It is an idea that came about with The "Progressive Movement" which had its origin in the second half of the 19th Century.
All taxes redistribute wealth.... That's the point. You seem to have a problem with spending the taxes on our countrymen.

The progressive movement had it's origins in the Enlightenment in Europe and our founding fathers were progressive for their time.

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"Social justice" has to do with making people equal, and it had it's birth in the "Progressive Movement". What is this movement to equalize income (income equality vs. income inequality) which the "Progressives" love so much, if it is not an attempt to make people equal?
Again, there is a difference between making people equal and providing equal opportunities.

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But, people already have an "equal chance" (as you put it) in our country as founded. Nothing needs to be changed for anyone to have equal opportunity.
Then why couldnt women and blacks vote at this country's inception?
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Our American system of government, as founded, maximizes Liberty. This Liberty is what gave rise to the "rugged individualism" that made our country the richest nation with the highest standard of living in the history of the world.
Our highest standard of living came about after the progressive movement of the early 20th century....

Rugged individualism is great for a rural, agrarian society, but coincidentally it didn't work so well the urbanization and mechanization of the industrial revolution.

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You are completely wrong, and have no understanding of "Progressivism" and "Progressives."

Progressives do not believe in individualism. They reject the Founder's ideas of "limited government" and of natural "inalienable" rights. They reject the Constitution as a document relevant for all time, but insist that it must be a "living document," because government is a "living thing." (Ref. John Dewy, "Liberalism and Social Action", and Woodrow Wilson, "What is Progress?")
Whatever.
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Old 09-18-2014, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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If you have endowed rights, including, but not limited to :
[] LIFE, and all harmless activities in support thereof;
[] LIBERTY (natural and personal);
[] ABSOLUTE OWNERSHIP of yourself, your labor and that which you acquire by your labor; and
[] Only by your consent, can you be governed,
CONGRATULATIONS, you are enjoying the blessings of the republican form of government, instituted by the Declaration of Independence, 1776, and guaranteed by Article 4, Section 4, USCON.
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"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
Abraham Lincoln - Wikiquote
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However, if you consent, there ARE voluminous rules, regulations, taxes, and penalties imposed as well as obligations to get permission (license) and / or pay taxes to live, work, travel, buy, sell, operate a business, transmit radio, fly a plane, trade in healthcare, buy medicine, cut hair, build a house, hunt, fish, marry, and / or own a dog. That's known as voluntary servitude, as a participant in the socialist democratic form of government (since 1933). Or as it will soon be known : the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America.

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<> Qui tacet consentire videtur - He who is silent appears to consent. <>
<> Volenti non fit injuria - To one who volunteers, no harm is done <>


In short, if one has not given consent, all that servant government can do is secure rights, as in prosecute those who deliberately injure the person and property of another. But once consent is given, all bets are off.
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