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Wow in 2 sentences she removed all labels and said call me an American.
Liberals must besides themselves.
Can't call her GAY and or African American. To things they take great pride in reporting and or making more then it needs to be.
Raven basically has taken the last 30 years of liberal reporting and causes and said I am not a GROUP. So what is it Raven can do this and liberals/progressives are so focused on her relationship status and her color label.
Sounds like Oprah should take a hint.
It's usually been the conservatives who have labelled "the other" by refusing to let them into their club. You can't truthfully pin that on progressive folk.
who knows ? But you dont have to be left of Center on all issues to be a Leftist.
And talking about this in political terms, this is someone who has continuously supported Democrats through out her adult life.
And ill make my point again. before the deletions there were about 6 pages of comments, at least a page worth, saying she couldnt possibly be a leftist.
What makes my post any different than theirs ?
An assertion that something 'is' is distinctly different from an assertion that something 'it not.' Saying she is a liberal is applying a label, which she made clear she does not like. Apply she is not a liberal in response to her being called a liberal is merely the censorship of such label. The label can be true or it can be made up. That makes no difference. Either way, saying 'she is not a liberal' is not really an efficient argument or statement of fact because it is a negative and as a rule, you can't prove a negative. You could offer proof that she is a liberal, but the back lash does not come from the weakness of your proof but the contradiction of her anti-label view.
That is what makes your post different from the others. One is a defensive stance, the other (yours) is an assertion.
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An assertion that something 'is' is distinctly different from an assertion that something 'is not.' Saying she is a liberal is applying a label, which she made clear she does not like. Apply she is not a liberal in response to her being called a liberal is merely the censorship of such label. The label can be true or it can be made up. That makes no difference. Either way, saying 'she is not a liberal' is not really an efficient argument or statement of fact because it is a negative and as a rule, you can't prove a negative. You could offer proof that she is a liberal, but the back lash does not come from the weakness of your proof but the contradiction of her anti-label view.
That is what makes your post different from the others. One is a defensive stance, the other (yours) is an assertion.
The bold did not happen. The assertion that she was not a liberal/leftist was made first in this forum, not the defensive stance that she is. Post #7 to be exact.
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Wow in 2 sentences she removed all labels and said call me an American.
Liberals must besides themselves.
Can't call her GAY and or African American. To things they take great pride in reporting and or making more then it needs to be.
Raven basically has taken the last 30 years of liberal reporting and causes and said I am not a GROUP. So what is it Raven can do this and liberals/progressives are so focused on her relationship status and her color label.
Sounds like Oprah should take a hint.
so my post is in fact, the defensive one.
TO be honest, i disagree with your logic all together, because to me , one being defensive and one being assertive doesnt change the fact that the claim is being made and the label is being put forth.
In short being told you dont fit in the box is just as bad as saying you do, its a label either way.
The bold did not happen. The assertion that she was not a liberal/leftist was made first in this forum, not the defensive stance that she is. Post #7 to be exact.
so my post is in fact, the defensive one.
TO be honest, i disagree with your logic all together, because to me , one being defensive and one being assertive doesnt change the fact that the claim is being made and the label is being put forth.
In short being told you dont fit in the box is just as bad as saying you do, its a label either way.
That post does not make a solid claim on her exact political views, but merely commentates on how her actions go against the liberal MSM. Admittedly, it likely implies she is not a liberal, at least not the typical liberal.
To address the box analogy, I think what Raven is attempting to do is remove the box all together. There is no box to not fit in or to be stuck in. I'd argue that those who claim she is not a liberal are doing that. Some might just be doing it in the way you're saying they're doing it. Other I believe are trying to remove her from the label 'liberal' all together.
I suppose it could be argued that she might not want that. Homosexuality and racial heritage are a result of the accident of birth, while political ideology is a conscious decision (usually; it's not determined at birth or a fundamental part of who someone is; it can change). Perhaps she wouldn't distance herself from a label that is far less personal.
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That post does not make a solid claim on her exact political views, but merely commentates on how her actions go against the liberal MSM. Admittedly, it likely implies she is not a liberal, at least not the typical liberal.
To address the box analogy, I think what Raven is attempting to do is remove the box all together. There is no box to not fit in or to be stuck in. I'd argue that those who claim she is not a liberal are doing that. Some might just be doing it in the way you're saying they're doing it. Other I believe are trying to remove her from the label 'liberal' all together.
I suppose it could be argued that she might not want that. Homosexuality and racial heritage are a result of the accident of birth, while political ideology is a conscious decision (usually; it's not determined at birth or a fundamental part of who someone is; it can change). Perhaps she wouldn't distance herself from a label that is far less personal.
The bold black is true.(based on previous encounters with the poster in question)
The bold red is not true, she does not go against mainstream liberalism at all, she goes against the perceived stereotype of Liberalism that those right of center have put forth.
(side note. I used the term leftist earlier in my posts for a reasons. There is more than one ideology on the Left side of the aisle, Raven could very well be a Populist,Socialist, or Progressive)
The Bold in Blue, i havent read every " She is no leftist", post on this thread, but i would argue that none of them that i have read are doing that.
Bold in green, im looking for a post that fits that description and i just dont see it.
There is a great deal of insecurity in having to affix labels to oneself and others. I found her delivery quite pleasant and genuine, something that is becoming rare.
Liberals will have no use for her since she's no longer apart of any "protected class", nothing to exploit. I agree with her, I'm not African American either, I'm a Black Texan
If she commits a crime the white right will make it known that she's an african american. They'll say that the media is biased if her being an african american isn't mentioned, just as they are now when a black person commits a crime and the race isnt mentioned.
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