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And what you are leaving out is all had Photo ID....most in fact signed up to vote while getting their DL.
And this issue is easily solved by putting on the ID some indicator it can't be used for voting, non citizen, car scanner at the polling place to streamline the voting process etc.
You cannot stop voter fraud without first identifying who is voting and it doesn't matter where the fraud is occurring. It is the very first step in fraud prevention.
When someone uses the term "some" as you did that implies very little. Neither what I quoted or my response was out of context. Matter of fact no matter what you meant by "some" is irrelevant to my reply because it applies to any quantity.
Let us look at the quote in context.
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There is certainly some voter fraud. And that which involves ineligible voters almost always involve those who have government issued photo ID. Now if the right wing was advocating passports or Voter ID cards they might have a reasonable case. But they don't...the want drivers licenses and such which are available to many who are not eligible to vote.
The next line makes the claim that fraudulent voting almost always involves those with photo ID.
But let me go further and stop allowing for the likelihood that somewhere in the US there has been an abuse of the no Photo ID voting.
There are no known cases of non photo ID voting fraud. You folk have been hunting for a few for years and have obviously come up dry.
A TV station compared jury questionnaire forms to voter registration rolls.
A photo ID wouldn't prevent this, it is the job of the ones that go through voter rolls to make sure everyone is suppose to be a US citizen.
Which at the bottom of the article it gives you the solution on how this problem is corrected.
"So that's what our list became. After showing them the nearly 100 names we compiled, both county election offices sent letters to each voter, asking them verify citizenship.
"It could be very serious. It could change the whole complexion of an election," said Harrington.
It's important we don't know we know if these folks are here illegal or not, just they are potentially not U.S. citizens who registered to vote.
Voters who received letters have 30 days to show proof of citizenship, or they'll be taken off the registration rolls."
Sounds like this is not that much of an issue because if the people don't respond, they are taken off the registration rolls and the photo ID wouldn't matter.
And this issue is easily solved by putting on the ID some indicator it can't be used for voting, non citizen, car scanner at the polling place to streamline the voting process etc.
You cannot stop voter fraud without first identifying who is voting and it doesn't matter where the fraud is occurring. It is the very first step in fraud prevention.
And that of course requires that all State DMVs be able to determine eligibility to vote. And that is a reasonably big task with costs. Given the opportunity to do that both the NV democrats and Republicans decline on the basis that it costs too much to solve a non existent problem.
Again the right is only trying to solve the part of the problem which would disenfranchise a portion of the Democrat leaning electorate.
If the right were serious you would go after felons and the absentee ballot provisions. As anyone who knows anything about the process there is no way to determine the legitimacy of photocopies of identity documents...easiest thing in the world to fake as photocopying removes all the protections built in. So if one were serious about simply protecting against fraudulent votes you would have to do away with the present absentee ballots. Maybe a new system could be devised...thumbprints or even internet based. But that is obviously not on the Republican agenda.
So one must conclude that the intent of the programs is not to prevent voter fraud.
How many people drove through stop signs today that were not ticketed?
But you can actually prove how many people run red lights, you have yet to prove how many people vote illegally that would have been prevented by requiring a photo ID.
How many people drove through stop signs today that were not ticketed?
If there were no tickets issued for a year for running stop signs I would be of the opinion that a remarkable reformation of the US driver had occurred.
That of course is not the case with thousands of such summons being issued. From that I would presume there are a substantial number of stop sign violations.
Sure it would with simple indicator it's not a valid for ID voting or as I suggested streamlining the in person voting process using the ID.
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it is the job of the ones that go through voter rolls to make sure everyone is suppose to be a US citizen.
Then why was the DOJ denying Florida access to that information? Why are states denyed the ability to determine US citizenship with motor voter?
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Sounds like this is not that much of an issue because if the people don't respond, they are taken off the registration rolls and the photo ID wouldn't matter.
They were already registered and voted, that's a huge issue.
Sure it would with simple indicator it's not a valid for ID voting or as I suggested streamlining the in person voting process using the ID.
Then why was the DOJ denying Florida access to that information? Why are states denyed the ability to determine US citizenship with motor voter?
They were already registered and voted, that's a huge issue.
Because relying on the DMV to prove citizenship isn't the best way to do that.
And they were probably all removed if they weren't able to prove they were citizens. This is something that needs to be caught on the collection side of registration and it is there job to make sure everyone is eligible to vote when they register. Requiring a photo ID at the time of voting does not do anything to check one's eligibility to vote.
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