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Originally Posted by Tom Lennox 70
I met socially acceptable to fly in front of your house, have on a t-shirt or on a bumper sticker. I do think only the national, state, and county flags should be displayed "officially" in front of a public building but I'm okay with the flag in the South Carolina statehouse as it doesn't have official status.
I think anywhere south of the Mason Dixon Line, it should be socially acceptable for a private business to display a rebel flag, or for it to be brought to football games, concerts, parades, etc and of course on private property. I do try to avoid wearing my Confederate colors when I travel north of the Mason-Dixon Line, though a point CAN be made that if its okay for illegal aliens to fly the Mexican flag after coming to the US, why can't a transplanted Southerner living in Ohio fly their flag there.
It's a shame some people outside the South have a negative perception of the flag just because of the liberal media, liberal Hollywood and the liberal public school systems. Even within the South there are liberal educators (and not all of them are transplants) who are trying to ban the Confederate flag from schools. The people I know who fly the flag are NOT racist. I do know that it really gets the liberal elite riled up when they see it when they travel here to West Virginia and see the flag flying. I don't see why it is a symbol of racism just because the liberal elite says it is. Their beliefs to not take precedence over ours.
I've noticed people from the north who are Civil War buffs and have studied American history extensively are usually NOT offended by the rebel flag and understand that the war was not mainly about slavery. There was some debate about how during the government shutdown a tea party protestor brought a Confederate flag to the White House and the liberal elite media said it was racist but the war was as much over taxes and the unfair tariffs charged on the South than it was about slavery and it also represents rebellion against an overreaching and overbearing federal government much like the one we see today.
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I agree with everything you say except for how you blame the media for people looking at it as a racist symbol.
If people see it as a racist symbol its the fault of southerners themselves
All you have to do is look at photos from the 1960's and all the protests that show Klansmen parading up and down waving the confederate flag and then just general people and the general population also waving the flag at different times when protesting against desegregation while all of this is going on, black people are getting lynched, riots everywhere, even at schools have to have the national guard to protect children from being attacked
sh*t, no wonder everyone else sees it as a racist symbol, it was people from the south who made it that way. People saw it as a racist symbol ( with good reason) LONG before the modern era of political correctness and crap. You cant blame that on the liberal media of today.
try telling a black person in the south in the 1940's 50';s and 60's it's not a racist symbol in their time.
I agree with everything you say, but its not some liberal biased crap they just made up
its been seen as a racist symbol because alot of racist people, and racist groups co-opted that flag and used it for that purpose
the Klan itself revived the confederate flag for their own purposes, and still use it now for the same f*cking reason.
why are you seriously surprised it's seen as a racist symbol
lets be honest, for many white people its not neccesarily a racist symbol
there's 2 reasons
for us, it was never anything bad attached to it. It never did us any harm at all,
and maybe alot of white who fly it dont have racist views but there have been more people who do use it as a racist symbol then those who use it for other reasons who dont use it as a racist thing.
then you have slavery and yes, I dont see how anyone can sit there and have the f*cking nerve to say the war was not about slavery since men like Jefferson Davis said very blatantly it was about slavery and the whole entire issue that kicked off the first shot was whether or not slavery would be allowed to spread out west and continue or not
how the hell is that NOT about slavery??? it was the main focal point above all else!
and YES there were OTHER IMPORTANT things too, It was not ONLY about slavery but no one can ever seriously even try to deny how important the role of slavery played in everything too
it was just about more than slavery is the best anyone can say but you cant say it was not about slavery or had little to do with it because it had everything to do with it
there was just more than that also and for alot of people who fought for the south maybe those other reasons were more important to them and why they really fought but slavery itself was the driving factor behind the very idea of secession and creating a confederacy in first place.
and for the government, and the planters who ran it, it was most definitely about slavery above all else
so yeah maybe for you its not about racism, maybe you are not racist when you fly it
I know alot of country people who have it and even have it tattooed on them and alot of them are not racist, I know one especially who grew up going back and forth between the sticks and the projects when he was growing up.
But you cant sit there and seriously expect it to not be anything racist for other people though... especially black people
of course to them its a racist symbol, all they ever saw was klansmen and later even skinheads and before then just general white people in the south flying it and using it while calling them racist names and messing with them.
you saying its not racist is like a follower of Louis Farrakahn telling me he;s not racist he just wants what's best for his people.
For that particular guy it maybe true and he may really be that way but no matter what anyone says, to me someone like Farrakhan will always be racist
so even if you and half the white people who fly that flag are not seriously racist and even if there were more issues to the civil war for alot of the people who fought, other than slavery, it still doesnt change how important slavery was and the role it played during that war overall and it doesnt change the history of that flag being worn by alot of white people who do use it for racist reasons.
Lets be honest, its only NOW people say its not a racist symbol.
back in 1960's or 1950's people were not saying "oh its not racist"
were they?
back then they were using it at least, in part, specifically for it to be a racist symbol and against racial equality so who the hell are you trying to fool?
and yes its about other things completely irrelevant to racism or slavery it IS about freedom and about being against a tyrannical government and it is, most of all just a basic cultural symbol of the south but its also about racism and all of that too
even if thats not how YOU mean it or how I mean it, that type of crap is associated with the flag too and you have to respect that also because its not just from the liberal media its because there were and still are alot of white people who do use it just for it to be a racist symbol, especially against black people, most of all.
you cant deny that.
you need to be true to the history of that flag. It means alot of things to alot of people
freedom, liberty from a big government, culture, where you're from in general and yes racism, and slavery all rolled into one symbol.
the flag itself means all of that even if the person flying it doesnt neccesarily hold all of those views or cares for everything the flag stands for but only cares for some of its better qualities.
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