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I am not big into Facebook, but I can tell you that although I have many friends from both sides of the isle (mostly conservative), it is only the conservative ones who flood Facebook with political spam and propaganda. I have not defriended anyone for it, but it is quite annoying. When "W" was in the WH I do remember the liberal ones post anti-Bush cartoons and such humor, but no propaganda.
Have friends from both sides but most from the lib side of things.
I find they post political things much more than my conservative friends.
I say nothing to them as I know they would go into a frenzy.
I have never unfriended anyone.
Most I have known all of my life.
They are also mainly in New York where I grew up and the lib bent is rampant there in the NYC, Long Island area.
It would be almost like an attack on someone's faith for me to do so I know beforehand as evidenced in the religious type furor I see in their presentations.
And this statement is a perfect example of how most liberals consider anyone who holds a belief different than their own to be "less than". Most people will not choose to read entries in their FB from people that close minded.
I was responding to a poster who was responding to a post by a conservative poster that called Sandra Fluke a promiscuous woman and that she had so much sex blah, blah, blah.
This was the exact rhetoric of conservative Demi-god Rush limbaugh. The most popular conservative radio talk show host. So hey that odious and ignorant opinion about birth control and Sandra Fluke is something a huge percentage of conservatives believe.
I was responding to a poster who was responding to a post by a conservative poster that called Sandra Fluke a promiscuous woman and that she had so much sex blah, blah, blah.
This was the exact rhetoric of conservative Demi-god Rush limbaugh. The most popular conservative radio talk show host. So hey that odious and ignorant opinion about birth control and Sandra Fluke is something a huge percentage of conservatives believe.
As a conservative I don't care one way or the other about her private life. I do however care that a Georgetown graduate feels that she cannot pay for her own birth control.
As a conservative I don't care one way or the other about her private life. I do however care that a Georgetown graduate feels that she cannot pay for her own birth control.
Look the school was already charging her health insurance. The school makes students get it. So she is already paying for health insurance
It makes no sense to exclude birth control from health insurance coverage and tack on an extra charge.
Then complain about Her not wanting to pay for her birth control. She is paying for her health insurance and thus if birth control were included she would be paying for it through her health insurance.
So the phony dishonest and ignorant conservative talking point that this was about her not wanting to pay for her own birth control was a delusion. Either way she was going to be paying for it.
Except conservative opposition goes even further than that ignorance because for conservatives birth control isn't considered to be medical care even though that's exactly what it is.
Instead for conservatives the school covering birth control through the insurance is associated with paying promiscuous women to have lots of sex for free. Which was the sentiment expressed by conservative Demi-god Rush Limbaugh and that conservative poster.
Look the school was already charging her health insurance. The school makes students get it. So she is already paying for health insurance
It makes no sense to exclude birth control from health insurance coverage and tack on an extra charge.
Then complain about Her not wanting to pay for her birth control. She is paying for her health insurance and thus if birth control were included she would be paying for it through her health insurance.
So the phony dishonest and ignorant conservative talking point that this was about her not wanting to pay for her own birth control was a delusion. Either way she was going to be paying for it.
Except conservative opposition goes even further than that ignorance because for conservatives birth control isn't considered to be medical care even though that's exactly what it is.
Instead for conservatives the school covering birth control through the insurance is associated with paying promiscuous women to have lots of sex for free. Which was the sentiment expressed by conservative Demi-god Rush Limbaugh and that conservative poster.
Agsin those are odious and ignorant beliefs.
Georgetown is a religious institution. If Ms. Fluke had a problem with their policy she should have enrolled elsewhere. But as always far left liberals expect everyone to accommodate them.
It wasn't a real friendship if a person can't get past political differences. Who would want to be friends with such a person anyway?
The way I see it is when you clock out of work forget about the job, and get on with life and when it comes to friends avoid heavy talk about religion and politics the two poisons that can create a rift, If someone needs to debate or rant go to a discussion forum like CD.
Got a long time friend who use to sing in my band, now I can't visit him without him within ten minutes of conversation going into conspiracy stories, and talking about God. He consumes himself with prison planet and so called Christian stuff and end of world prophecies, and now states he only will do christian music. We use to be in a rock/metal band.....I still am.
Got another friend who sways liberal, she is the PETA type who hates not so much guns as much as hunting. She is all about the animals. I like shooting and have no problem with hunting or hunters. She also is anti "religious establishment" as she calls it. I do believe in Jesus in my personal way.
So I avoid talking hunting with her, and avoid religion with both, and my singer friend well I just keep him at a distance now. I don't mind talking about religion or politics but it takes the right frame of personalities to keep it from creating a divide.
I love em both, consider them A class long time friends but avoid certain topics.
1) That is a business, and businesses are NOT allowed to discriminate. A gay couple operating a bakery could be charged the exact same way these people were if they refused to serve cakes to christians or muslims or jews.
2) That is a CHURCH! You cannot just open up a church on your damn street. How would you feel if on Friday and Saturday nights your next door neighbor just turned their house into a gay bar? You can't disrupt your neighborhood in this way.
3) You cannot force people who are not Christian to join in your prayer. That is what these government councils were doing. If people want to pray before council then they should hold a private ceremony prior to the council meeting.
I agree with you on points #1 and #3, but I find two a little murkier. I've never heard of any legal limit on the number of people I can invite into my house at one time. Everyone has to park legally, but that's about the only restriction I've ever heard of, anywhere that I've lived.
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On City Data I find that liberals routinely report comments they disagree with, I strongly doubt conservatives are such cry babies and can't handle a discussion they are not winning
I personally have never reported a single person on City Data (except in retaliation after getting suspended)
(even though I have been called everything that one can ever imagine) and will not do so unless it's spam, or pornographic.
Furthermore I've been told I was blocked (so my posts were not seen) on other websites which is the pinnacle of closed mindedness
The reason for that is believe that free speech is important and liberals only are in favor of free speech if it's to the left of them (and pornography)
knowing this I would be shocked if this didn't carry over to Facebook or any other place where liberals are exposed to people who disagree with them.
Liberals are the most closed minded group on the face of the earth.
Let's just say I have grounds to disagree with the bold.
And to say you've never reported anyone except. . . is a little different than never having reported anyone, at all.
I do have some people on ignore, liberals and cons alike, b/c they push my buttons and I end up in an argument I don't want to have.
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Are you honestly going to insist you've never heard the term "welfare queen"? Using thinly-veiled racism to argue against government spending has been the cornerstone of Republican policy for decades.
If you spend increased tax revenue on investments, then how can it decrease overall investment? Well, whatever, the point wasn't to derail the thread, it was to point out that you aren't the only one who can phrase arguments from the other side in a childish way and strawman them as overly emotional. Maybe sticking to the same examples will be clearer:
Conservative - Poor people are ferals who deserve poor wages!
Liberal - Driving down wages results in a race to the bottom, slack demand and an economy vulnerable to shocks. Wage disparities are usually driven by differences in leverage that have no correlation to social good, rather than any notion of deservedness.
Conservative - Government stealing money oppresive Randian nightmare!
Liberal - Taxes are the price we pay for civilization.
Conservative - Women who use birth control are sluts!
Liberal - Women should have equal access to necessary healthcare.
OK, I'm known as a "liberal" here, although my friends IRL would probably disagree. I really take offense at the idea that some liberals think ALL conservatives believe that poor people are ferals, that all taxes are "government stealing money", and that women who use birth control are sluts.
I have known many conservatives, my parents included, who help(ed) the poor. I know conservatives who are fine with many taxes, and most of the conservative women I know use birth control, and their partners do not object.
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Originally Posted by bluesjuke
Have friends from both sides but most from the lib side of things.
I find they post political things much more than my conservative friends.
I say nothing to them as I know they would go into a frenzy.
I have never unfriended anyone.
Most I have known all of my life.
They are also mainly in New York where I grew up and the lib bent is rampant there in the NYC, Long Island area.
It would be almost like an attack on someone's faith for me to do so I know beforehand as evidenced in the religious type furor I see in their presentations.
My experience is it's more 50/50. I am amazed at some of the steelworkers' sons and daughters I grew up with, whose families prospered b/c of the United Steelworkers, who are RW Repubs.
Union membership does not automatically mean Dem allegiance and there have been many disagreements in court between members and Union views.
Mandatory membership and closed shops have a part in that too historically.
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