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Old 12-24-2014, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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The issue arises when the peaceful protests are no longer peaceful.
That explains all the right-wing crying about well-made signs.
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Old 12-24-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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You're an anarchist.

Gotcha.
Brilliant rebuttal. (that was sarcasm if you missed it). Please, address my argument, don't resort to name calling.

The 1st amendment gives us the right to protest the government. If you have to get the permission of the government first that would give them the ability to say no, they can not do that.

You do not need to get anyone's permission to exercise your first amendment rights. Odd you would think that the thinking of an anarchist. I don't think you really do, you just have no argument left.
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Old 12-24-2014, 01:07 PM
 
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People do not need to get the permission of those they are going to protest to protest.



The right of protest is in the Constitution.

Freedom of assembly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


You do not need to lecture me on the meaning of the Constitution. I am all for freedom of speech/thought, but there is a right way to go about it. Heck taken to it's extreme interpretation, any speech, even yelling fire in a theater and/or inciting a riot resulting in death would be ok. Furthermore any weapon, including WMD's should be able to be owned by ordinary citizens to prevent government tyranny.

My point in bringing up legal protests/rallies was to illustrate that the Tea Party was not likely responsible for shutting down bridges, roadways, shopping malls etc., like the fools screaming kill cops.
Yet the poster I was addressing implied they were in some way comparable. I disagree unless the Tea Party people were intentionally engaged in the aforementioned activity.

BTW - If you ever want to have credibility or respect on a subject, using Wiki as your source will not do the trick.

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Old 12-24-2014, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Brilliant rebuttal. (that was sarcasm if you missed it). Please, address my argument, don't resort to name calling.

The 1st amendment gives us the right to protest the government. If you have to get the permission of the government first that would give them the ability to say no, they can not do that.

You do not need to get anyone's permission to exercise your first amendment rights. Odd you would think that the thinking of an anarchist. I don't think you really do, you just have no argument left.
Who called you names?

I'll address your argument - but I can already see how this is going to go down. You will reply with some version of: "No, that's not true." And "Because it's not right." Also "Because I said so." And maybe "No one is the boss of me!"

So here we go ... the first amendment is not absolute.

And of course the government can restrict your right to assemble. As long as they apply the same rules across the board - the definitely can.

This is like, first year, US History 101 stuff. It's pretty basic common knowledge.
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Old 12-24-2014, 01:19 PM
 
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You do not need to lecture me on the meaning of the Constitution. I am all for freedom of speech/thought, but there is a right way to go about it. Heck taken to it's extreme interpretation, any speech, even yelling fire in a theater and/or inciting a riot resulting in death would be ok. Furthermore any weapon, including WMD's should be able to be owned by ordinary citizens to prevent government tyranny.

My point in bringing up legal protests/rallies was to illustrate that the Tea Party was not likely responsible for shutting down bridges, roadways, shopping malls etc., like the fools screaming kill cops.
Yet the poster I was addressing implied they were in some way comparable. I disagree unless the Tea Party people were intentionally engaged in the aforementioned activity.

BTW - If you ever want to have credibility or respect on a subject, using Wiki as your source will not do the trick.

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Tell me how it is wrong? Is it? No? It's an easy to access preliminary source. If you question it, please feel free to counter it.

Protesters do not need to get your permission on the right or wrong way to protest. I personally do not buy into the argument but many argued that the Tea Party shut down the government (can't be true as it never shut down).

Many did call for a shut down though. Personally I wish they had been more successful.
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Old 12-24-2014, 01:23 PM
 
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Who called you names?
Seriously? Yours was a statement, not a question.

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I'll address your argument - but I can already see how this is going to go down. You will reply with some version of: "No, that's not true." And "Because it's not right." Also "Because I said so." And maybe "No one is the boss of me!"

So here we go ... the first amendment is not absolute.
It isn't.

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And of course the government can restrict your right to assemble. As long as they apply the same rules across the board - the definitely can.
No they can not. That would mean they could shut it all down. They can not do that. Don't you think N.Y. would be doing just that if they could?

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This is like, first year, US History 101 stuff. It's pretty basic common knowledge.
It might be common but it's not correct.
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Old 12-24-2014, 01:38 PM
 
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No they can not. That would mean they could shut it all down. They can not do that. Don't you think N.Y. would be doing just that if they could?
They could have shut it down and they should have.......there was no permit......as required by law.

Why they did not is a mystery to me.
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Old 12-24-2014, 01:42 PM
 
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They could have shut it down and they should have.......there was no permit......as required by law.

Why they did not is a mystery to me.
They are already paying off lawsuit's over those they arrested before.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/ny...ters.html?_r=0

Other lawsuits are pending, including a class-action claim stemming from the arrests of about 700 people while they marched on the Brooklyn Bridge roadway on Oct. 1, 2011.

They lost that one also.
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Old 12-24-2014, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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The location of the rally delayed me, Vector1, and though an inconvenience, I have no issue with any protest inconveniencing anyone.
How 'bout the guy in Berkeley who died 'cause he couldn't get to the hospital?
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Old 12-24-2014, 01:49 PM
 
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How 'bout the guy in Berkeley who died 'cause he couldn't get to the hospital?
Sounds like it's past time for someone to start listening to the complaints of the people.
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