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Old 01-23-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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so we need the Rooney rule because 32 NFL owners are racists? that is what you are implying.
What is this "we need" stuff? We? What are you...French all of a sudden? "We" don't need anything. You're not an owner, coach or player....You're a fanboy. You don't need anything but a box of popcorn.

The rule is needed by the proper coaching candidates that have worked their way through the coaching ranks and still couldn't even get a damn interview for head coaching position while duds like Lane Kiffen and Jason Garrett are consistently given jobs with no track record that separates them from their black counterparts.

Not to mention the same old retread white coaches that get hired over and over again despite having unsuccessful stints at their last jobs.

 
Old 01-23-2015, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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Objecting to the Rooney Rule, really?

The Rooney Rule has absolutely no requirements to actually hire a minority, just interview. And that is extremely important.
Coaching in the NFL is a long road and exposure, reputation, and recognition are very important. The Rooney Rule gives minority coaches a very difficult to find foothold to get that exposure and recognition through the interview process and build reputation.

Without the Rooney Rule, you would see the same cluster of coaches interviewed over and over for openings. And with the Rooney Rule, you still see the same cluster of coaches, it is just that the cluster includes the best available minority candidate too now. On top of that, just participating in the interview process is important experience that will give a Rooney Rule candidate a better chance at landing a top position in the future even if they are not the strongest candidate right now.

The NCAA's adoption of a voluntary Rooney Rule style guideline in 2008 will do even more to improve chances for minority candidates; but ultimately these rules only help with experience and reputation. The minority candidate still has to land the job on their own merits.

You know when the Rooney Rule will no longer be needed? When teams start hiring incompetent minority retreads over and over again like the currently hire the same ol' white guys over and over again.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 09:25 AM
 
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Most coaches FAIL in the NFL. Always seemed weird to hear arguments that Black coaches weren't worthy of failing like all the horrible white coaches who lost tons of games.

We used to see the same coaches hop from team to team and then see their kids grab a coordinator position before moving right into the HC position while Tony Dungy waited and waited...

As far as Tomlin being hired in Pittsburgh. The Steelers already interviewed Ron Rivera and fulfilled their requirement.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Houston
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It does seem like a waste of time. What are the odds that a minority who ain't on the list to start with gets the job? It is tough to win people over that much in an interview or two.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 11:08 AM
 
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It does seem like a waste of time. What are the odds that a minority who ain't on the list to start with gets the job?It tough to win people over that much in an interview or two.
If it's a waste of time, then what's the big deal?

Why are ordinary people with no skin in the game angry about a rule that a bunch of billionaires imposed on themselves?

If any of us end up on our asses, you can bet your last dollar that the NFL owners don't give a damn.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Houston
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If it's a waste of time, then what's the big deal?

Why are ordinary people with no skin in the game angry about a rule that a bunch of billionaires imposed on themselves?

If any of us end up on our asses, you can bet your last dollar that the NFL owners don't give a damn.

Just commenting. I ain't got an issue with it.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 11:27 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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so we need the Rooney rule because 32 NFL owners are racists? that is what you are implying.
Nope, it has nothing to do with anyone being racist really, much less the owners. The owners are going to hire the best person for the job regardless of race. The Rooney Rule is about developing minority candidates so that they eventually are the best person for the job.

We need the Rooney rule right now because of a lot of built in history to the entire system of coaching, where you move from college athlete to grad assistant to college assistant to college coordinator to nfl assistant (or college head coach) to nfl coordinator to nfl head coach. The guys who will be head coaches in 2045 are just now entering the system. The guys who are head coaches now entered this network in the late 70s to late 80s. And quite frankly, if there is any "racism" it is probably at the NCAA level where too much of where you get is based on who you know. It is really more about tight networks than racism. These networks were built without minorities in them originally and that makes it harder for minorities to enter them and work their way up.

Eventually, the NFL will not need a Rooney Rule. That day is not really that far off, especially since there are more and more paths for NFL athletes to become coaches rather than the path I listed above. And if the NCAA had something like the Rooney Rule first, the NFL would not need it now at all.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 11:28 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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You know when the Rooney Rule will no longer be needed? When teams start hiring incompetent minority retreads over and over again like the currently hire the same ol' white guys over and over again.
Exactly.
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