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Old 01-25-2015, 09:27 AM
 
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By forcing him to stand up, they are negating the meaning of the pledge. "LIBERTY and justice for all."

But that said, other people also have just as much right to react negatively to his actions, as long as they don't lay a hand on him. I can understand not saying "under god" if he doesn't believe in god, but I am just curious why he doesn't want to stand for the pledge. It is his right, but does he not believe in the words of the pledge?
"By forcing him to stand up, they are negating the meaning of the pledge. "LIBERTY and justice for all."

He is a juvenile and NOT allowed to do many things and is "forced" to do many things.

Is he "free" to drive at 13, 14, 15?

Is he 'free' to NOT go to school?

Is he "free to buy alcohol?

Is he "free" to NOT take English or math? etc., etc., etc.?
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:32 AM
 
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Much to do about nothing which consumes society how days ;ignoring the important things. We all have to do thing we don't like or agree with so we are not in constant conflict.
"Much to do about nothing" "ignoring the important things."

Many, MANY of us think teaching respect for our Country is VERY important.

Apparently you were never taught to be!
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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IMO, there is NOTHING WRONG with teaching respect for your country.

If schools are allowed to teach "sex education" why not respect for our country?

If NOT in school then where and when?
I may be wrong but I believe that respect is earned, not taught.
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:34 AM
 
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That makes it a choice. We don't HAVE to do anything we don't want to do. We sometimes choose to do things we don't want to do because we prefer doing the task to the negative outcome of NOT doing it, or because the positive outcome of doing it outweighs the negative act of doing something we don't want to do. Liberty is having the right to do what you want as long as you don't violate anyone else's rights. One may choose not to do what they like because they don't want a negative reaction, but that is their choice. As opposed to the government telling them they CANT do it.
I believe what you are claiming ONLY applies to ADULTS and NOT TEENAGERS.
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:34 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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I may be wrong but I believe that respect is earned, not taught.
Bingo.
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:37 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I believe what you are claiming ONLY applies to ADULTS and NOT TEENAGERS.
If you had read the rest of the thread you would know that I was speaking of his parents liberty to allow him not to stand.
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:38 AM
 
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I'm as patriotic as the next guy. But kids shouldn't be force fed patriotism. Better to teach kids to think for themselves. And if a kid comes to the conclusion that the pledge is like some kind of loyalty oath and decides to bow out that decision should be respected.
18 is considered the "age of reason" for a purpose.
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:40 AM
 
Location: North America
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"By forcing him to stand up, they are negating the meaning of the pledge. "LIBERTY and justice for all."

He is a juvenile and NOT allowed to do many things and is "forced" to do many things.

Is he "free" to drive at 13, 14, 15?

Is he 'free' to NOT go to school?

Is he "free to buy alcohol?

Is he "free" to NOT take English or math? etc., etc., etc.?
Yeah sorry, that doesn't work. All of those things benefit a child in the long run. Saying the pledge does not. You need to come up with a better argument than that :-P.
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:43 AM
 
Location: North America
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"Much to do about nothing" "ignoring the important things."

Many, MANY of us think teaching respect for our Country is VERY important.

Apparently you were never taught to be!
Maybe some people don't respect this Country? And you can chuck out the inevitable "Why don't you go to *insert depostic Country here* if you don't like it here?" response you have cooking up, because I have heard it before.
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:45 AM
 
Location: North America
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What's age got to do with it?

There's 70-year old men prancing around on stage with guitars.

If the guy was 90 years old wearing glasses and in a bling-bling glam-glam chair drooling all over himself, you just might have a point.



No, it isn't.....my country right or wrong can be hazardous to your health.



Good....then you can stand up and Pledge Allegiance to Mircea.



Um, gosh, last time you all "went with the flow" you ended up with Special Interest Groups owning your government.

Oh, sorry, I meant running your government (as though there's really a difference).



Yes, it does. Try reading the Pledge.



Some people ain't too bright.



Are you standing? Why not? Stand up!

If you don't stand up, it will be Anarchy.

No one is ever obligated to show deference at any time ever.

Which part of "all men are created equal" do you not understand?

And showing deference to objects?

That's so 2nd Century.




It is about religion.

How sad is this folks?

The OP is ignorant of the history of the Pledge of Allegiance and is trying to decide if his child should stand and recite it or not.

The phrase "...under God..." was not in the Pledge of Allegiance.

So how did it get there?

Congress added the phrase in direct response to "godless communism."

The Pledge then becomes a de facto "loyalty test" to root out godless commies and other subversive deviants.

Loyalty tests are prohibited by the US Constitution

See the Pledge for what it really is.

A relic of the Cold War....

Mircea
Mircea for Emperor!
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