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You're the one who mentioned "rednecked" Americans and how they are living off government welfare. I merely pointed out that white so-called rednecked Americans are not the largest recipients of welfare in this country, minorities are. Why aren't you comparing the Chinese to blacks, Hispanics also? Hmm.
Because this thread is about whites being upset at Chinese immigrants. Hmmm....
If the topic is about blacks being upset at Chinese immigrants, you can surely bet that I would no doubt point out that blacks are large welfare recipients as a group.
If there's one thing that Communists (I think it was Mao or Marx that said it) have been right about, is that the capitalist will sell the rope that will hang him later. Never have truer words been spoken. But, the reason for America;s success will also be the reason for her undoing. The problem with an individualistic society like the US is, it may bring much prosperity, but underneath, the capitalists' only loyalty is to a healthy quarterly statement, not to country. They will sell the US down the river for a buck. This doesn't happen in Germany or Japan, 2 expensive countries that won't let go of their heavy industry and R&D. They are into profit just as much as they are into their country
I think you got it backwards: Communism didn't last very long at all. There are people alive in 2015 who were born before Russia want Communist about 1920. China's Communist in name only. Who are left: Cuba, Vietnam and North Korea.
Because this thread is about whites being upset at Chinese immigrants. Hmmm....
If the topic is about blacks being upset at Chinese immigrants, you can surely bet that I would no doubt point out that blacks are large welfare recipients as a group.
Really? The OP never even mentioned whites in his post nor are whites included in the title of this thread. Want to retract that?
It also depends in the "white" sub ethnic group too. The "hillbillies" from Kentucky and West Virginia usually ain't as smart as a Jewish person of German or Russian family. OTOH: Black people who came here from Africa as free people are probably smarter than an Asian chosen by chance to be tested, Hell; "fullblood" American Indians are mostly Asian going by their DNA and they DON'T have the rep of Japanese Americans here where science and math are being talked about.
I agree with you on all of that.
Average IQs for groups don't mean much anyway, since every group has people of exceptional intelligence and other people who are not so intelligent. The most intelligent of a low scoring group are smarter than 99% of the highest scoring group.
Wait, are you denying all form of external influences in the American culture? Do you consider the whole country as being culturally equal? This is a very interesting opinion!
Before the 18th century, well before the creation of the USA, the concept of an American culture was not that natural. The first task was to spin off from the English culture but until the 20th century, it stayed close to the European culture.
The second half of 20th century is where there was an emergence of an American culture in term of literature and art, with some attempt to have a federal vision of the culture. But in the end, it's a culture with many sub-groups.
I can agree that the high culture of the elite and the mainstream culture that was exported to the world differ. 3% of Americans (and by the way, this is the norm in all countries so there is nothing abnormal here) went to Opera in a year.
But to say that the American culture is not a result of the cosmopolitanism of the country... is "audacious". The children and the grand-children of the immigrants are, that's happening now, creating a new culture, already visible in the language (spanglish), the food (Tex-Mex)... some theories even think that the American culture is being exported well due to those changes that makes it "universal". Not denying any of the European influences of the American culture, but now, it is a global phenomenon.
So to quote you back, I don't think immigration is erasing the existing culture, but immigrants are ultimately the ones impulsing an evolution of this so-called American culture. That culture with universal values due to immigration is benefiting from the globalization of the world and dominates it through soft power. Mostly due to potential commercial profits, indeed. But does it mean it's necessary wrong?
Look at French. Its development in its point of origin, France, and other places where it's spoken such as in Switzerland, Belgium or Canada, is different. In New Orleans, they also have another version of French there. It would be the same for English. Obviously, Americans have simplified and modified the English orthography, introduced new words... Change is natural. This should be accepted.
Well said. I don't disagree with you on any of this.
But will you concede that France -- in spite of outside influences -- nevertheless does have a distinctive culture, and the United States likewise?
Americans may not be aware of the distinctiveness of our own culture simply because we, unlike Europeans, are not in close proximity to a great variety of different languages and cultures in other countries.
I think it is fair to say that Toqueville found a remarkable difference between America and Old World early on.
And just as France maintains its distinct culture in spite of outside influences, so will America -- unless we simply decide we are nothing but a blank slate to be written on by others.
Part of not becoming that blank slate is a certain resistance to immigration and multiculturalism....which I find healthy.
That's simply not true!!! We all know that redneck America is too proud and too hard-working to want to depend on welfare and government teats but when the gubmint keeps destroying their pot farms, shutting down their meth labs, and investigating their burglary rings, what are they supposed to do? Stay in school and learn job skills?
Maybe the government and our major corporations could give poor white Appalachians affirmative action preferences, just like they do for non-whites -- including recent immigrants (who are not white but also not black.)
I don't think anyone should imagine that our government cares about poor whites.
The liberals here sure don't.
As for blacks, they have to compete with Latinos for all those racial preferences.
Liberal identity politics in all of its glory!
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If there's one thing that Communists (I think it was Mao or Marx that said it) have been right about, is that the capitalist will sell the rope that will hang him later. Never have truer words been spoken. But, the reason for America;s success will also be the reason for her undoing. The problem with an individualistic society like the US is, it may bring much prosperity, but underneath, the capitalists' only loyalty is to a healthy quarterly statement, not to country. They will sell the US down the river for a buck. This doesn't happen in Germany or Japan, 2 expensive countries that won't let go of their heavy industry and R&D. They are into profit just as much as they are into their country
The conservative position is that protection of the nation must take precedence to capitalism. The base of the Republican Party would support that position.
The Establishment Republican Party (wedded to the Chamber of Commerce) would not.
Hence, the battle between Tea Party Republicans and Washington Republicans.
Democrats, on the other hand, appear to talk out of both sides of their mouths. They are critical of capitalism, but pay attention to what they do, not what they say.
Look at Al Gore, the Clintons, the Kennedys, the Kerrys, Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, Reid, etc...Look at Obama cosying up to Wall Street while telling Main Street America to kick rocks.
They neither care about protecting the nation nor about "economic justice." They just care about their team, which consists of labor unions and government employees.
In the meantime, the Marxists and socialists have yet to come up with a viable system that is prosperous, free, and appealing to people.
Their best shot has been a mixture of socialism and capitalism (as in Sweden), but that mixture doesn't translate well to a huge and ethnically diverse country like ours that imports millions of poor immigrants year after year.
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Sell them all the big liberal Democrat states: New York, Illinois and California.
You'd actually have to subtract the huge debt and unfunded liabilities (welfare, unionized government employee pensions) of those states from the selling price, of course.
Well they are smart, hardworking and have money to spend. Face it, you are just jealous that they became/ are becoming rich while and drive Audis and porches while you struggle to make payments on your used F-150.
Consider this fact: if even 10% of the population of China is middle class and above that means around 150 million Chinese are well to do. That's more than half the entire population of USA....
The future lies in economic-political systems where a small percentage do well while the overwhelming majority are poor, unfree, controlled in every aspect of their lives by a dictatorial government?
I guess that must be true, because it appears to be the direction in which America is heading under Obama and the Democrats.
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