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LOL You told me I am free to marry anyone I want. On that basis, your logic indicates I am free to marry my sister or my dad. I asked you for clarification on my freedom to marry who I choose and you can't handle the fact that I swiftly defeated your simplistic statement.
BTW, I asked a question based on YOUR argument. Are you stating that YOU made a straw man argument?
? You "defeated my simplistic statement"?
You have stated that you are married. Did you choose to marry your husband? I think you likely did.
In what way have you "defeated my simplistic statement" that you were able to marry the person you chose?
Unless that practice infringes on another's rights or violates secular law. You always seem to forget that part!
Wrong, you keep adding "secular law" There is NOTHING in the 1st Amendment that exempts "secular laws" Where do you find this exception in the words: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
There is no slippery slope. There are examples of everything, but an example here or there does not undercut the constitutionally guaranteed right to the free exercise of religious beliefs.
People may have held beliefs about blacks and whites mixing or not, but that is not a religious belief, that is a belief that some people tried to support using twisted logic and their interpretation of the bible.
That has no relation to this case, wherein the religious belief in question is clearly defined and universally held by all major world religions.
There are plenty of supporting quotes in the bible for all of the examples I gave and they WERE used by churches, priests, and other fundies when arguing over these rights.
You have stated that you are married. Did you choose to marry your husband? I think you likely did.
In what way have you "defeated my simplistic statement" that you were able to marry the person you chose?
You said, "You have the right to marry whom you choose." You did not say, "You chose to marry your husband." Because my choice was based on the definition of marriage as between a man a woman, and so I was as equally free to marry my husband as any other woman on the planet, regardless of her sexual orientation.
You're initial post was a statement of fact, not a question or with clarification. It was a simplistic statement that I questioned. Your failure to respond with a yes or no, and now your attempt to change the original statement shows how simplistic it is.
Then she needs to be consistent, not just pick and choose what acts or lifestyles she disapproves of the most, which is what I am saying. Not hard to follow, really. If she won't accept business from a homosexual couple getting married, then she shouldn't for a man or woman who is remarrying, or a couple in the act of living together, but not married, etc.
Thanks for proving my point. She isn't being consistent, unless she's also declining a divorcee when they are in the act of remarrying.
So, in your mind, the 1st Amendment protection of the free exercise of religion in conditioned on the strict requirement of a person to adhere completely to your determination of what constitutes a conflict with your understanding of what her religious beliefs should be?
What is your basis for claiming that she has not been consistent in her religious objections to providing services where to do so would violate her constitutionally protected right?
Have you got examples of where she engaged in services in opposition with her religious beliefs and was sued and threatened with destruction of her business and livelihood as a result?
Of course you are. When the going gets tough and you can't defend against logic, the next arrow in your quiver is to proclaim me a troll and run back to your echo chamber.
There are plenty of supporting quotes in the bible for all of the examples I gave and they WERE used by churches, priests, and other fundies when arguing over these rights.
Show me where there are clear, definable statements in the bible that make it clear that serving black people, allowing black/white people to marry or allowing black people to associate on the same footing as whites in school, public property or anything else is an abomination and a sin in the eyes of God.
No, really, I want to see those quotes...and not quotes that were then interpreted and twisted to fit someone's own meaning.
Again, why are you using examples that in no way relate to the facts of this case? Could it be that your argument is so baseless that you have to engage in reduction ad absurdum in an effort to make your pointless point valid?
Once you go there, you should know you have lost all credibility.
Mark is probably rolling in the floor laughing to hard to respond so I would just like to point out, while he catches his breath, that he is an attorney.
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Originally Posted by Felix C
Well on one hand there is sound business principles to follow as in attend to all clients for profit.
Or
Conscientous principles to follow which would inhibit someone from enabling or assisting.
I hope we all have some principles in life and have to consider how we would react if in a situation as above in having to choose one or the other.
It is a conundrum.
The best approach would be not to start a business if you cannot abide by the laws of your state and country in running that business. That avoids the conundrum.
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Originally Posted by loriinwa
Because unmarried people rarely need flower arrangements for a wedding ceremony???
I would hope that only unmarried people need flower arrangements for a wedding. Otherwise, they might run afoul of bigamy laws.
There are laws higher than the Law of the State hence why the gov't has a classification termed conscientious objector.
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