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Old 03-06-2015, 11:19 PM
 
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so refute what i said then.
Obamabots... relentless denial of reality.

Obama would be nowhere without the lying and the liberal media. That was all he really ever had.

Why is Obama so comfortable lying? For the same reason a con man is, he thinks most people are suckers, dummies, and rubes. A con man knows that his base desperately wants to believe him and as Gruber said "the stupidity of the American voter". They are both right to consider many Americans as being vulnerable marks and suckers, after all, he won election to the presidency-twice!

With Obama disasters who did he call? Not experienced experts or professionals, not Republicans for their input but his campaign flacks, Axelrod, Plouffe and Favreau....to craft a message, the rhetoric, not fix a problem. He did say if he had something to do over again, "he would tell the story better".
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Old 03-06-2015, 11:26 PM
 
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Obama would be nowhere without the lying and the liberal media. That was all he really ever had.

Why is Obama so comfortable lying? For the same reason a con man is, he thinks most people are suckers, dummies, and rubes. A con man knows that as Gruber said "the stupidity of the American voter". He may be right to consider many Americans as being vulnerable marks and suckers, after all, he won election to the presidency-twice!

With Obama disasters who did he call? Not experienced experts or professionals, not Republicans for their input but his campaign flacks, David Axelrod, David Plouffe and Jon Favreau. They were there to craft a message not fix a problem. He did say if he had something to do over again, "he would tell the story better".
petch, I wasn't around here when bush was president but I'm pretty sure people here defended him no matter what.....nothing wrong with that. And I'm sure many couldn't stand him and made posts just like you are making now... nothing wrong with that either. It's all free speech.

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Old 03-06-2015, 11:26 PM
 
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Oh please, get over your perception of me because you have no clue. I haven't defended obama. Presidents lie...politicians lie. If you believe in your republican candidates then fine. And why is it a 10 year frame you are giving me lol
All human beings have lied. But do we automatically regard all human beings as "liars"? No, that is not what we are talking about when we use the term "liar," now is it?

Feel free to go back further than 10 years if you like, but if you cannot easily put together a list of current politicians who are habitual liars in the class of Barack Obama, that will go a long way to supporting my point. Also, I retract the Republican requirement. Feel free to establish that politicians are habitual liars in the same class as Barack Obama using Democratic politicians as examples as well. However, unless I am mistaken, you will not want to do that.

You have defended Obama and you continue to defend him, if you continue to try to shift responsibility without naming names of Washington politicians who are habitually liars in the same class as Obama. I do not think you can do it. But worse for you and your claim that you are not defending Barack Obama, I do not expect that you will even try.
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Old 03-06-2015, 11:29 PM
 
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All human beings have lied. But do we automatically regard all human beings as "liars"? No, that is not what we are talking about when we use the term "liar," now is it?

Feel free to go back further than 10 years if you like, but if you cannot easily put together a list of current politicians who are habitual liars in the class of Barack Obama, that will go a long way to supporting my point. Also, I retract the Republican requirement. Feel free to establish that politicians are habitual liars in the same class as Barack Obama using Democratic politicians as examples as well. However, unless I am mistaken, you will not want to do that.

You have defended Obama and you continue to defend him, if you continue to try to shift responsibility without naming names of Washington politicians who are habitually liars in the same class as Obama in their lying. I do not think you can do it. But worse for you and your claim that you are not defending Barack Obama, I do not expect that you will even try.
Show me where I have done that and maybe I will take you seriously.
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Old 03-06-2015, 11:32 PM
 
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petch, I wasn't around here when bush was president but I'm pretty sure people here defended him no matter what.....nothing wrong with that. And I'm sure many couldn't stand him and made posts just like you are making now... nothing wrong with that either. It's all free speech.
No, they didn't actually. In fact, the Tea Party came to exist in no small part as a protest against George Bush and his "compassionate conservatism," which many Republicans regarded as a betrayal of the very principals of what it means to be a conservative.

Also, George Bush's approval rating got down to 19%. Do you really believe that was because he was a worse president than Barack Obama?

LOL. No way. It was because his supporters were NOT willing to defend him no matter what, unlike what we have seen from many of the supporters of Barack Obama, whose current approval rating is 43.8%.
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Old 03-06-2015, 11:35 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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Obama would have still beaten Romney because he was a bad choice for a competitive candidate.
Wrong. Obama won because he misled the voters on just about everything. Obamacare, Benghazi, Al Qaeda's on the run, etc. But you already knew that.
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Old 03-06-2015, 11:35 PM
 
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All human beings have lied. But do we automatically regard all human beings as "liars"? No, that is not what we are talking about when we use the term "liar," now is it?

Feel free to go back further than 10 years if you like, but if you cannot easily put together a list of current politicians who are habitual liars in the class of Barack Obama, that will go a long way to supporting my point. Also, I retract the Republican requirement. Feel free to establish that politicians are habitual liars in the same class as Barack Obama using Democratic politicians as examples as well. However, unless I am mistaken, you will not want to do that.

You have defended Obama and you continue to defend him, if you continue to try to shift responsibility without naming names of Washington politicians who are habitually liars in the same class as Obama. I do not think you can do it. But worse for you and your claim that you are not defending Barack Obama, I do not expect that you will even try.
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Show me where I have done that and maybe I will take you seriously.
As I said, I did not even expect you to try. And unfortunately, you have proven me correct, yet again.
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Old 03-06-2015, 11:35 PM
 
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petch, I wasn't around here when bush was president but I'm pretty sure people here defended him no matter what.....nothing wrong with that. And I'm sure many couldn't stand him and made posts just like you are making now... nothing wrong with that either. It's all free speech.
Yep, extremist just like the people who defend Obama no matter what he says or does are extremists. And now you are trying to justify Obama with Boooooooooooosh! That is a typical Obamabot tactic in defending Obama. Didn't Obama say he could do better? Oh, that was a lie too?
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Old 03-06-2015, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Wrong. Obama won because he misled the voters on just about everything. Obamacare, Benghazi, Al Qaeda's on the run, etc. But you already knew that.
You keep telling yourself that, all of those things were being used against Obama in 2012 and Romney still lost.
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Old 03-06-2015, 11:40 PM
 
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As I said, I did not even expect you to try. And indeed you have proven me correct, yet again.


My question to you...where did I defend obama and continue to defend him. These were your words. So please show me. I already asked you that and you ignored it. How about I expect you to try and answer my question....please
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