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Old 03-24-2015, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Orlando
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Which is irrelevant since they aren't the law.

I'm not a fan of it either, even helped to fun constitutional court challenges to it, but I still have to comply with the law.

I suppose I should be thanking liberals for my free medical care now at the taxpayers expense...

If you have funds to donate one would think you were above the level of support.

I think the comment about the republican plan is simply that they have no plan. only critics, no action.

 
Old 03-24-2015, 10:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Sounds a tad like an excuse.

The ACA is legislation, living law, subject to amendment.

Come on now. Republicans acknowledged healthcare was broken before the ACA.

it's been 5 years.
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Who says Democrats are unwilling to cooperate and help out? The people who have done nothing but call for repeal? Conservative Cable and radio entertainers? Who?
Here is an article about an Obamacare replacement plan submitted in January 2014 by the Republicans in the US Senate. Of course the Democrats killed it immediately.

An Obamacare Replacement in the Senate

However, if the SCOTUS guts Obamacare in the next three months, as is expected by many, they will have another chance with either this same proposal, or likely something very similar to it. Then we will see how cooperative they are.

Anyone who says the Republicans either don't have healthcare plans or that they have not proposed alternatives to Obamacare in Congress are either uninformed or are just not telling the truth.
 
Old 03-24-2015, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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If you mean that the Republicans have not offered a program that socialists like, then I guess not.

However, here is an article about a Republican healthcare alternative for Obamacare that was introduced in the Senate in January of last year.

National Review

It is a solid proposal, although the universal healthcare crowd will of course not like it. If it is any consolation, they will not like it less than I and many others dislike Obamacare.
Your link summarized it " as just a step, an imperfect and incomplete step" .
Yet, you claim it's a solid proposal.

It is, after 5 years, a high level concept, nowhere near an actionable piece of legislation. An updated concept summary was released last month. It's going nowhere, fast. It calls for states to form interstate compacts which is a huge deal because if insurance is written across state lines, anti- trust issues surface. Tax credit income thresholds have declined from the previous version, meaning insurance would be less affordable for many.

Most importantly, there's nothing in it , at this point, that reduces the cost of healthcare , the root cause of high premiums. To do so requires more wood than collectively exists in Congress across both chambers and parties.

On the positive side, it appears to acknowledge that repealing ACA and this gem would need to be seamless.

Obviously, the GOP did not get the memo because all seem to be running on a repeal platform. Makes for a good sound bite.
 
Old 03-24-2015, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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This discussion is not about spending. It is about why Ted Cruz is signing up for Obamacare. I gave 3 different options that he could do to avoid sharing premiums through the ACA.

He degraded our credit rating over his objections to the ACA. Why is he signing up for it now?
He had Obamacare insurance subsidized by his wife's employer.

Now he has Obamacare insurance subsidized by his employer.

He has had Obamacare insurance all along, no different than the rest of Congress.
 
Old 03-24-2015, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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He can't get on his wife's plan because she is quitting her Goldman Sachs job and losing her employer's plan.
His wife's plan was compliant with Obamacare.

Only this that's changed is the employer who is subsidizing the premium.
 
Old 03-24-2015, 11:05 PM
 
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Your link summarized it " as just a step, an imperfect and incomplete step" .
Yet, you claim it's a solid proposal.

It is, after 5 years, a high level concept, nowhere near an actionable piece of legislation. An updated concept summary was released last month. It's going nowhere, fast. It calls for states to form interstate compacts which is a huge deal because if insurance is written across state lines, anti- trust issues surface. Tax credit income thresholds have declined from the previous version, meaning insurance would be less affordable for many.

Most importantly, there's nothing in it , at this point, that reduces the cost of healthcare , the root cause of high premiums. To do so requires more wood than collectively exists in Congress across both chambers and parties.

On the positive side, it appears to acknowledge that repealing ACA and this gem would need to be seamless.

Obviously, the GOP did not get the memo because all seem to be running on a repeal platform. Makes for a good sound bite.
It is not socialized medicine and therefore you don't like it. Also, it is not Obamacare, so you dismiss these ideas with the flick of your wrist. Why am I not surprised?
 
Old 03-24-2015, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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And none of the above was addressed by Obamacare.
Agreed.

What little there was, got deleted during negotiations in Congress.
 
Old 03-24-2015, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
Here is an article about an Obamacare replacement plan submitted in January 2014 by the Republicans in the US Senate. Of course the Democrats killed it immediately.

An Obamacare Replacement in the Senate

However, if the SCOTUS guts Obamacare in the next three months, as is expected by many, they will have another chance with either this same proposal, or likely something very similar to it. Then we will see how cooperative they are.

Anyone who says the Republicans either don't have healthcare plans or that they have not proposed alternatives to Obamacare in Congress are either uninformed or are just not telling the truth.
A high level conceptual proposal is not actionable legislation.

There's nothing in it that will reduce the cost of healthcare. The monopolies are protected.

It relies on interstate compacts and states deferring to a federal cap on medical malpractice. Hello SCOTUS. Wake me up when that happens.

Best case scenario would be it became law in 2017 with a 3 year uncertain lead in to implementation- 2020.
 
Old 03-24-2015, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It is not socialized medicine and therefore you don't like it. Also, it is not Obamacare, so you dismiss these ideas with the flick of your wrist. Why am I not surprised?

I voted for healthcare, not Obama. I do not qualify for credits/ subsidies. I had good insurance before ACA and better insurance after ACA.

I am politically agnostic and believe healthcare is a human right.

Call it Cruzcare for all I care.
 
Old 03-24-2015, 11:34 PM
 
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
A high level conceptual proposal is not actionable legislation.

There's nothing in it that will reduce the cost of healthcare. The monopolies are protected.

It relies on interstate compacts and states deferring to a federal cap on medical malpractice. Hello SCOTUS. Wake me up when that happens.

Best case scenario would be it became law in 2017 with a 3 year uncertain lead in to implementation- 2020.
It was submitted as a bill in the Senate last year.
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