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Old 03-24-2015, 11:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
He had Obamacare insurance subsidized by his wife's employer.

Now he has Obamacare insurance subsidized by his employer.

He has had Obamacare insurance all along, no different than the rest of Congress.
No, he was not under the ACA. They were insured through a plan at Goldman Sachs - his wife's employer. It had nothing to do with the ACA. There is a huge difference between the insurance he had under Goldman Sachs and what he will receive under the exchange. Do you honestly think the insurance provided at this ER was a crap plan that would not of been in compliance with the ACA. Come on... Night.

 
Old 03-24-2015, 11:59 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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No one is suggesting we not give a helping hand.. strawman argument.
"No one is suggesting we not give a helping hand, it's just that us conservatives have never come up with any viable proposal to help anyone; we're really fine with watching people beg for some charity and forego health insurance altogether, as we've done for decades now."

"Ok, seriously...we are suggesting we not give a helping hand."
 
Old 03-25-2015, 06:36 AM
 
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Except liberals pay huge taxes and live in blue states that pay more federal taxes than we get back (as opposed to red states). We just would rather that money go to health care for everyone
And yet you support ACA which does no such thing..
 
Old 03-25-2015, 06:45 AM
 
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If there was an reasonable alternative available to him in his current job situation, I am sure he would take it.

But take note how Cruz obeys the law, even when he is not a big fan of it, unlike Barack Obama.
Since when is it against the law to pay out of pocket for your health care? Who or what is stopping Cruz from paying for his and his wife's healthcare without the aid of the current health care plan that he's trying to abolish?
 
Old 03-25-2015, 06:46 AM
 
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Since when is it against the law to pay out of pocket for your health care? Who or what is stopping Cruz from paying for his and his wife's healthcare without the aid of the current health care plan that he's trying to abolish?
So what you're saying is ACA wasnt needed to be passed and thus should be repealed, after all, it was never against the law to pay out of pocket for healthcare..

RIGHT?
 
Old 03-25-2015, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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If there was an reasonable alternative available to him in his current job situation, I am sure he would take it.

But take note how Cruz obeys the law, even when he is not a big fan of it, unlike Barack Obama.
He, like anybody else, could go out on the market and buy HC coverage. No one has to choose from the HC Exchange.
 
Old 03-25-2015, 06:52 AM
 
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Since when is it against the law to pay out of pocket for your health care? Who or what is stopping Cruz from paying for his and his wife's healthcare without the aid of the current health care plan that he's trying to abolish?
Why should he have to? Just because he supports overturning Obamacare, it does not follow that he or any Republican has advocated the boycotting of employer paid health insurance.

To be fair, health insurance would ideally not be purchased by a third party (such as an employer) for people, as the detachment from having to pay attention to cost control on an individual basis is one of the primary reasons that healthcare costs continue to spiral out of control. But this is the system we have, flawed though it is.

I suspect Cruz is also signing up for Obamacare so that he can experience it for himself and be able to tell about that experience first hand, which will enable him to criticize Obamacare much more powerfully while on the campaign trail and on national television during the Republican primary debates. From this perspective, his signing up for Obamacare is a brilliant idea.

We need effective reform of our healthcare system now more than ever before, that is for certain. Hopefully Ted Cruz will help to lead the discussion that will cause that to finally happen.
 
Old 03-25-2015, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Why should he have to? Just because he supports overturning Obamacare, it does not follow that he or any Republican has advocated the boycotting of employer paid health insurance.

To be fair, health insurance would ideally not be purchased by a third party (such as an employer) for people, as the detachment from having to pay attention to cost control on an individual basis is one of the primary reasons that healthcare costs continue to spiral out of control. But this is the system we have, flawed though it is.

I suspect Cruz is also signing up for Obamacare so that he can experience it for himself and be able to tell about that experience first hand, which will enable him to criticize Obamacare much more powerfully while on the campaign trail and on national television during the Republican primary debates. From this perspective, his signing up for Obamacare is a brilliant idea.

We need effective reform of our healthcare system now more than ever before, that is for certain. Hopefully Ted Cruz will help to lead the discussion that will cause that to finally happen.

If Sen. Cruz wants coverage now that he is no longer covered by his wife's policy, he MUST buy it from an exchange.

"Iowa U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley pushed through an amendment on the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, that requires members of Congress to obtain their coverage via health insurance exchanges.
...
Cruz, as a member of Congress, would use the exchange to choose his employer-provided insurance."

Cruz to sign up for government health care
 
Old 03-25-2015, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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He, like anybody else, could go out on the market and buy HC coverage. No one has to choose from the HC Exchange.
Members of Congress actually have to do exactly that.
 
Old 03-25-2015, 07:13 AM
 
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If Sen. Cruz wants coverage now that he is no longer covered by his wife's policy, he MUST buy it from an exchange.

"Iowa U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley pushed through an amendment on the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, that requires members of Congress to obtain their coverage via health insurance exchanges.
...
Cruz, as a member of Congress, would use the exchange to choose his employer-provided insurance."

Cruz to sign up for government health care
Correct, this was because of public outrage that members of Congress were originally getting exemptions from the bill, so to quiet the dissent, they added this into the law.
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