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At the beginning of this discussion a poster named Seacove came up with a very rational solution.
If the business owner is allowed to discriminate, then why not require the business to own up to his/her discrimination by posting a sign:
* NO GAYS (or dogs) ALLOWED *
Why post a sign? Because after the potential customer has traveled to patronize your business, entered it, should they be subject to the embarrassment or humiliation of being shown the door?
Think about it.
If a sign is posted on the door they know not to enter. It also informs other potential customers that do not support that policy to shop elsewhere.
I'm assuming you're being sarcastic.
That's exactly the sort of stupidity that has to be stopped. The only businesses that should have any right to refuse to service gay customers are those that are potentially being forced to overtly endorse something they have a moral or religious objection to. That's a very tiny group. I don't think anyone has a right to force any individual to participate in something they believe is morally wrong. If you don't want to make a cake for a gay marriage, you shouldn't have to. If you don't want to do a photoset for it, you don't have to. If you don't want to cater for it, you don't have to. If you don't want to perform the marriage itself, you don't have to. All of that with the caveat that somebody has to provide said service for them. These are cases where you're potentially forcing somebody to be a part of the event that is validating homosexuality as acceptable and normal. Nobody should be able to force you to do that. And frankly, forcing folks to be a part of a homosexual wedding is just going to **** people off and stir up outrage against the LGBT community. Kinda self-defeating for their movement I think.
Those are the only kinds of examples where anyone should be able to refuse. Any others would need to be very specific. Let it get beyond that very narrow definition and you're recreating the stupid mistakes of our past.
I don't doubt that there are some who want to do that sort of crap to gays. I sincerely hope we've progressed beyond that actually allowing that sort of thing.
Actually untrue. Arkansas weathered the recession well. It has low unemployment, and the state has a budget surplus.
This bill is garbage. But people should refrain from bashing the state unfairly.
So then we can't point out how stupid the state's lawmakers are to pass a bill a week after Indiana passed a similar law that has Mike Pence dancing around frantically to trying to defend it against a virtual onslaught of criticism? We can't laugh at the fools who are watching this fiasco unfold right next door and are so idiotic that they think, hey, why don't we do that, too, and get all those corporations who make money for the state pissed off at us, just like Indiana? 'Cause, you know, it's working out so well for them that Pence is now telling the legislature to pass a second bill that undoes the blatant discrimination language in the first one. We can't point out abject stupidity when we see it?
Spoilsport.
BTW, Walmart, who is headquartered in Arkansas, is againt this bill and is urging the governor to veto it.
All the problems in our country, and Republicans focus on taking healthcare away from people and promoting discrimination.
LISTEN UP REPUBS: This kind of **** is precisely why I'm willing to vote for a corrupt old hag like Hillary. Because THIS is the alternative that y'all present me.
you even haven't read the bill......this bill is similar to what Bubba Clinton signed in 1993 and 19 other states.
if you vote for Hillary because of this then you are really brain dead.
I sincerely hope we've progressed beyond that actually allowing that sort of thing.
Do you feel there should be laws against racial, ethnic or sexual preference hate speech?
Do you feel that a person should go to court for dropping a N-bomb, calling a person a cracker, saying Mexicans swam the border or making an AIDS joke aimed at gays?
I wish we'd progress past such language, but I don't want people going to court over it. Do you?
It is rather sad and pathetic that the media and many of you continue to make this bill out to be what it is not. This is not to deny someone service because they are gay.
For example, pizza company will serve anyone. But due to religious reasons, they will not cater a gay wedding. Which should be their right. This example is far different than what some of you are making this bill out to be. You act like they are turning away customers simply for being ____. They are not.
It is rather sad and pathetic that the media and many of you continue to make this bill out to be what it is not. This is not to deny someone service because they are gay.
For example, pizza company will serve anyone. But due to religious reasons, they will not cater a gay wedding. Which should be their right. This example is far different than what some of you are making this bill out to be. You act like they are turning away customers simply for being ____. They are not.
Do they offer catering service?
IF so, then refusal of that service to a sub set of the population is discrimination.
Ha, ole Asa backing down and asking for changes to the law.....lolololol. Wants to be a place of tolerance and nondiscrimination. Good boy Asa.
Now, let's see what they do.
When Walmart, the largest employer and biggest cash cow in the state, expresses its displeasure, suddenly all those steadfast, unchanging conservative Christian values aren't so important anymore...
So then we can't point out how stupid the state's lawmakers are to pass a bill a week after Indiana passed a similar law that has Mike Pence dancing around frantically to trying to defend it against a virtual onslaught of criticism? We can't laugh at the fools who are watching this fiasco unfold right next door and are so idiotic that they think, hey, why don't we do that, too, and get all those corporations who make money for the state pissed off at us, just like Indiana? 'Cause, you know, it's working out so well for them that Pence is now telling the legislature to pass a second bill that undoes the blatant discrimination language in the first one. We can't point out abject stupidity when we see it?
Spoilsport.
BTW, Walmart, who is headquartered in Arkansas, is againt this bill and is urging the governor to veto it.
Of course you can point out how stupid this bill is.
But referencing ALL Arkansans as fools is bashing the state, not the bill.
I'm well aware of Wal-Mart's position. I agree with that position.
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