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Old 04-09-2015, 03:06 PM
 
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This would include you. You're the very type of person Jesus was talking to when he said, "Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’"

You do not follow the will of God. You treat gays like dirt, constantly judging them while refusing to deal with your own sins. Jesus would never treat gays the way you do. You bear bad fruit.
So Jesus fully supported prostitutes in their sexual immorality? Hmm, I seem to recall him telling them to go and sin no more.
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Old 04-09-2015, 07:42 PM
 
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Marriage is a sacred bond. It is not simply a legal formality.
And THAT is the fatal flaw of your position. For the marriage being discussed on this thread most certainly IS simply a legal formality. You seem to think "holy matrimony" which is a religious rite, and civil marriage which is not, are the same thing which is an error. You can, and many people do, have both and use the words interchangeably, which is the ultimate source of the debate and confusion. Perhaps it would have been better if, back in the day, when government first started regulating marriage they used a different term, but that horse has long since left the barn.

Any Church is, and should be, allowed to set the terms of "holy matrimony" they're going to permit and participate in. The Government has no legitimate interest in preventing CIVIL MARRIAGE from 2 parties regardless of the gender mix, which is why this battle is over. Come June, it will be legal nationwide, whether or not you like it. Likewise, the Government has no business regulating "holy matrimony", indeed they're (probably) Constitutionally Prohibited from doing so.

But they are most definitively NOT the same thing.
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Old 04-09-2015, 07:49 PM
 
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So Jesus fully supported prostitutes in their sexual immorality? Hmm, I seem to recall him telling them to go and sin no more.
You "recall" that? You were there? This is the single most frustrating thing to me about christianity, they give 100% credibility to word for word quotes that were written down literally decades after the man died, in an era where there was no technology to accurately record that. There is little to no chance any of his "quotes" are even remotely accurate.

Don't believe me? Go back and reconstruct Richard Nixon's life, including hundreds of word for word accurate quotes using only technology available in 60CE. No phones. No cars. No internet. No newspapers. No TV. No nothing but personal knowledge (not gained by one of the above), camels, and eyewitness accounts 40 years after the fact.

It can't be done. I can't even accurately quote MYSELF from a mere week ago.
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Old 04-10-2015, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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This speaks volumes...in the world outside of CD people's opinions
More than $715K raised on GoFundMe for Walkerton Restaurant
WALKERTON, Ind. -- A business in Walkerton is getting national attention and backlash following its statements and stance on the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
Memories Pizza is on the record saying it wouldn't cater gay weddings, and that stance has gone viral online.
“I don’t have a problem with gay people, I do not condone gay marriage and that’s what I said,” co-owner Kevin O’Connor explained to The Daily Beast. “I don’t turn anybody away from the store, I don’t have a problem with gay people. I just don’t condone the marriage.”
People give millions to hacks like Robertson so he can live like a king while they live in squalor, probably the same bunch of people ....
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Old 04-10-2015, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Private businesses should be allowed the FREEDOM to refuse service to anyone they choose.
Spoken by someone that has never been refused service because they are the wrong color, wrong sex, or the wrong sexual orientation.

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Old 04-10-2015, 05:10 PM
 
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You "recall" that? You were there? This is the single most frustrating thing to me about christianity, they give 100% credibility to word for word quotes that were written down literally decades after the man died, in an era where there was no technology to accurately record that. There is little to no chance any of his "quotes" are even remotely accurate.

Don't believe me? Go back and reconstruct Richard Nixon's life, including hundreds of word for word accurate quotes using only technology available in 60CE. No phones. No cars. No internet. No newspapers. No TV. No nothing but personal knowledge (not gained by one of the above), camels, and eyewitness accounts 40 years after the fact.

It can't be done. I can't even accurately quote MYSELF from a mere week ago.
Not completely accurate is a long trip from not remotely accurate.

Did Caesar say Et tu Brute? Probably not. Did he perhaps say "You too, young man?" ? While not the same words Shakespeare (and others before him attributed to him) it's not what one could describe as "not remotely accurate".
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Old 04-10-2015, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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It is my right to exercise my religion freely, and it is not your right to punish me for doing so; i.e., if I am a business owner, a baker, and refuse your request for me to bake a custom wedding cake for your homosexual wedding, because I don't want to be a party to something that God says is wrong, you should not have the right to destroy my business by filing a lawsuit, forcing me to close, and possibly losing my home and all my possessions.

The homosexual activists have become the ugly face of evil in our country. Their goal is to destroy every Christian business, and attack Christians in every way they can. Does this sound a little like what the Muslim terrorists do? The homosexual activists are American terrorists, and their target is any Christian business, church, or Christian politician. They are out to destroy even the Constitutional protections that are the First Amendment. Make no mistake. And I will fight this with all that is within me.

Where do you get this craziness from? As the owner of the business would you also demand the female submit a certificate of virginity? Would you also refuse a couple where one or both had been divorced?
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Old 04-10-2015, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I wonder how many of the "follow the Bible" Christians had Ham for Easter dinner ...
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Old 04-10-2015, 05:30 PM
 
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I wonder how many of the "follow the Bible" Christians had Ham for Easter dinner ...
The Bible doesn't stop a Christian from having ham.
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Old 04-10-2015, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The Bible doesn't stop a Christian from having ham.
Sure does, it says Pork is OFF LIMITS ... same place you guys say it talks about "Homosexuality"...
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