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Old 03-28-2015, 12:24 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Here's a fun one. It's after midnight, and your car broke down. You need a tow. How many might you be able to get depending on where you are?

The guy pulls up, takes a look at you and doesn't even get out of the car. "Sorry, we don't serve Indian/black/gay/Asian people. Against our personal beliefs. Good luck."

...and drives off, leaving you there.

Freedom!

Or better yet, what if it's a private ambulance service and you think you're having a stroke? "Meh... we don't need to treat you. It's against our religion."
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Old 03-28-2015, 12:25 AM
 
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I will take your sources, case law or controlling authority
Sorry, but you're smarter than that.

I hope.

The government cannot enforce Deuteronomy.

I'm not going to entrench myself in a silly typing marathon to explain the obvious.


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Stop with the heated rhetoric. Stop accusing anyone with a different viewpoint from yours of bad intentions.
How about YOU stop misrepresenting me.

I never said that those with different viewpoints than mine have bad intentions. Nope. Never once.

A lot of people have different viewpoints than my own.

What I'm REALLY saying is that anyone who wants open discrimination have bad intentions.

And I'm not going to stop saying that since that's what I believe.
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Old 03-28-2015, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Businesses should just be required to post a large sign on their door listing who they will not serve so all customers can make an informed decision.

A religious person should have no problem with that.
Actually, I think that is a fair compromise. Personally, I would not shop at a bigots store.
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Old 03-28-2015, 12:54 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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It's not at all surprising to me that conservatives would be happy to go back to the days when you can openly discriminate against others (ah, those good old days of slavery!). It's just disgusting that they call it "religious freedom."
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Old 03-28-2015, 12:56 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Private businesses should be allowed the FREEDOM to refuse service to anyone they choose.
Oh, good.
Then when a dumbass bigot hits my ER with a giant heart attack, I will just give him the boot back into the parking lot.
Sweet! When do we start?
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:00 AM
 
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Religion?

Worst thing you could ever bring up. Less than 10% of the (conservative, flyover country) people I know ever go anywhere near a church. They haven't for decades.

Cruz has already blew it. So, Pence wants to be Huckabee III?
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Are you that ignorant, or are you just being disingenuous?
Bills like this make me embarrassed to be an American. It makes us look so dumb.

Also, how is a proprietor gonna know who is gay?
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:03 AM
 
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If it's your business that you are responsible for then it should be your decision who to deal with and who not to deal with. That's called freedom. The government should be bound by a requirement to treat everyone equally, but all discrimination in the private sector should be absolutely legal. And I'm not a hypocrite - I fully support private businesses discriminating against me if they so choose for any reason they choose.

If someone wants to put up a No Jews Allowed sign somewhere I want to patronize, I will not complain. I'll just take my business to their competition.
Ah, another one who just isn't getting it.

I got a kick out of "listening" to you describe how you're not a hypocrite, how you support being discriminated against, and how you would (calmly, I would imagine) take your business to their competitor.

Yeah.

Because every person in America would react to being discriminated against in just that way, right? I mean, all 310 million Americans will simply smile and move on to a different business, hoping that business, too, won't discriminate against them. No problem at all. Because everyone agrees with the right to be discriminated against; everyone is 100% in support of this lame idea. No one will mind at all if they have to drive all over town - or to different towns - in search of a place that doesn't hate them. They won't mind the extra time and gas that must be wasted in such a ridiculous quest. Of course not. Everyone has a level head and no one would even think about getting angry, inciting a riot, or doing harm to the business or its owner.

And I'm sure the employees won't mind, either, getting caught in the middle. Nah. Why on earth would any employee be upset at having to be the actual person to tell someone they aren't welcome in that place of business - especially if the employee is not a bigot? There's no reason at all, I guess, for an employee to take umbrage over the fact that the employee, not the owner, is risking life and limb to give customers the boot. And it will do the country good for job applications to have a special section on bigotry, hatred, racism, and prejudice for job seekers to fill out. That way, a business can have an entire enterprise built upon such wonderful qualities as bigotry and racism ... not to mention homophobia.

That will also ensure that America has a robust marketplace of ideas - like Germany did in the 1930's and '40's. After all, Germany didn't suffer at all when anti-semitism drained the country of its top scientists (including Einstein).

There will be no consequences AT ALL for such a boneheaded ideology as open discrimination. No one will suffer, especially if you're a white Christian male. If you happen to find out that your local privately owned power company hates you, living without electricity is no skin off your back, right? It certainly wouldn't be skin off anyone else's back - because everyone, and I do mean everyone, is so reasonable and pro-freedom that no sacrifice is too great to endure just so long as everyone has the right to wear their hatreds and bigotries on their sleeves.

Right?
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:16 AM
 
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It's not at all surprising to me that conservatives would be happy to go back to the days when you can openly discriminate against others (ah, those good old days of slavery!). It's just disgusting that they call it "religious freedom."
It doesn't surprise me, either. Conservatives seem to enjoy being proactive for all the wrong freedoms. They'll champion the freedom to act upon their bigotry but hate the idea of gays having the freedom to marry.

Amazing, isn't it?

What gets me is who conservatives wish to discriminate against: Gays, liberals, communists and socialists, intellectuals, college professors, Muslims, the poor, and those who do not toe the party line.

The reason why it gets me is because, if you swapped "Muslims" with "Jews," you'd have the same group of people a certain mustachioed someone threw into his gas chambers.

Fascism just isn't the same unless there is a White Whale upon which to heap all of its troubles.
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Relaxing with animals
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I disagree with the manner in which mainstream GLBT activists deal with issues, as well as what they insist as promoting as healthy.

It's not reason for petty behaviour that leads to ever-escalating hostility from both sides. It's unfortunate people cannot put aside small issues to see how they're being manipulated, whilst much more important issues are being ignored. This neverending 'war' is ridiculous. As quickly as you see some lunacy from GLBT people and their Lib "friends", the religious and conservatives match them one on one.

Another senseless socio-political "debate" actively fuelled by TPTB for distraction. I'll wager this bill is worth more on paper than anything else. Stupid and impractical, too.

It's hilarious to see how people here are implying bigotry is a trait of only certain people. And all the usual suspects are jumping in to flash their victim card. As if only white religious conservatives are bigoted against gays (& others) in the US and elsewhere. I guess the more knowledgeable types are too embarrassed to point out that many other groups are far more harmful to gays.
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