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Old 04-05-2015, 02:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Idon'tdateyou View Post
I read that food stamp forum someone linked here and saw a thread about using food stamps on vacation. If you are on food stamps you shouldn't go on a vacation.
So, if your family buys you a ticket, you shouldn't go? I'm not on food stamps or welfare, but last year, my family bought my airfare to go visit them. If I'd been on food stamps, you're saying I shouldn't have bought any food while on vacation? Or if I'd been on TANF or SSI, I shouldn't have withdrawn any money?
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Old 04-05-2015, 02:22 PM
 
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You haven't shopped with them or lived in their neighborhood but I have and I do. Most are more than a family of three, they also get WIC, food stamps and many don't have any income to take 1/3 of. They blow their money the first two weeks of the month, the first weekend I called "welfare" weekend and you didn't want to shop and you didn't want to walk past the crack house or you would get run over by all the traffic. Then, after the first two weeks, they go to the food pantries and churches for handouts and the "5 finger discount" and you better not have anything of value loose in your yard!



Yeah, we have a lot of cheaters in the system. In a 2 county area with a total of about 30,000 people, the social services (welfare) department had a total of 30 workers. It was said to be easier to get on welfare in SE KS so there were a lot of "transplants" that came in from other states.



A lot of them sell drugs on the side, sell the WIC items to get extra cash, many working under the table. They also go to the charity groups and get items and resell them.





As a resident of Kansas and a mother of an adult with developmental disabilities who is seeing cuts for her child, I am glad they are looking to stop the cheaters. We have a lot of them. They need to go through the welfare system and clean house. I am tired of the anchor babies and deadbeat drug users running up OUR taxes. We get little for all the taxes we pay. Wages are low and that is what KS is all about, big business. The day we start e-verifying for every job, KS will start to turn around but until then, it is hopeless.





The work requirement does go very far since most cannot pass the drug test. I think part of the reason they use drugs is to avoid work.



I agree. We lived in SE KS where I did the math and realized that with the low wages paid and all the benefits that welfare recipients got: cash assistance, free Medical, WIC, food stamps, child care, etc. the only benefit to working was one's sense of pride in themselves. Seriously, many were doing much better than those working. That is wrong and I want to see changes.



Children? Yet another problem in KS that is costing us a bundle, anchor babies. I see the illegals with their WIC vouchers also. Of course, I am sure only the children eat that food, not!

I live in KS and have for many years. We are tired of working for low wages and having these people laying around until noon, making babies and eating fast food, buying their drugs and stealing from our yards. Maybe we can encourage them to come to the states of those here posting that are sympathetic to their "plight". I'd be glad to help finance a bus to relocate them especially the illegals which cause wages to be low enough that it makes more sense to have Uncle Sam support them. You just have no idea until you see what we have.

I have no respect for people that have children to "anchor" them or increase their welfare check. If they can't afford the babies, they need to get a clue about birth control.

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All of this. I live in Illinois and we see the illegal moochers all the time. They keep cutting for programs of disabled and elderly but welfare? Nope they think illegals and druggies deserve it but not disabled and elderly.
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Old 04-05-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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So, if your family buys you a ticket, you shouldn't go? I'm not on food stamps or welfare, but last year, my family bought my airfare to go visit them. If I'd been on food stamps, you're saying I shouldn't have bought any food while on vacation? Or if I'd been on TANF or SSI, I shouldn't have withdrawn any money?
That's different than paying for it and nope they shouldn't take money out to pay for it. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for vacations. Want a vacation? Get a job!
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Old 04-05-2015, 02:27 PM
 
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Yeah, actually it does work in the real world, and it's less expensive and more convenient.


1. There's no reason why someone would have to pay cash for their utilities. All utilities accept some form of non-cash payment, e.g. those EBT cards that the OP mentioned.
One scenario off the top of my head: poor person couldn't pay bill, got cut-off notice. Money isn't transferred to EBT until the day before service would be cut off, but the processing time is 2 days. Utility company will not grant extension, says must pay in cash at utility or at predatory check-cashing/payday loan place.

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2. The article did not talk about people who are "too broke for bank accounts." It talked about people who CHOSE not to have account, but then realized that it's too expensive and incovenient to do without one.

3. In a day and age where you can get a free checking account, there's no excuse not to have one. For that matter, there's also no excuse to keep paying fees for check cashing, debit card reloads, etc.
With limited resources coming in, which may not be enough to pay bills and incidentals, spending money on bank fees is not a good use of limited resources. Free checking accounts (at least IME), usually require at least one direct deposit per month, or a minimum balance above that which a poor person can manage.
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Old 04-05-2015, 02:29 PM
 
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That's different than paying for it and nope they shouldn't take money out to pay for it. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for vacations. Want a vacation? Get a job!
But, again, most people on assistance ARE working. And many people receive benefits for a family member (child or disabled person). They shouldn't take that person anywhere?
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Old 04-05-2015, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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One scenario off the top of my head: poor person couldn't pay bill, got cut-off notice. Money isn't transferred to EBT until the day before service would be cut off, but the processing time is 2 days. Utility company will not grant extension, says must pay in cash at utility or at predatory check-cashing/payday loan place.



With limited resources coming in, which may not be enough to pay bills and incidentals, spending money on bank fees is not a good use of limited resources. Free checking accounts (at least IME), usually require at least one direct deposit per month, or a minimum balance above that which a poor person can manage.
Well obviously there was just too much fraud going on all over the US for Congress to pass a bill requiring these restrictions.

And the truly poor will suffer because too many abused our welfare programs.

And TANF is not supposed to be your sole means of cash. All welfare is SUPPLEMENTAL and TANF is only for 4 years and there is a requirement to work at least 20 hours.
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Old 04-05-2015, 02:40 PM
 
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But, again, most people on assistance ARE working. And many people receive benefits for a family member (child or disabled person). They shouldn't take that person anywhere?
If they are working and make enough for a vacation why are they are welfare? Many times I couldn't afford a vacation and I was working, a vacation isn't a need.
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Old 04-05-2015, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If they are working and make enough for a vacation why are they are welfare? Many times I couldn't afford a vacation and I was working, a vacation isn't a need.
Especially Disney where the cost of a one day ticket is over $100 per person.
Maybe that's why the ATM at the Disney gift shops has a lot of TANF cash withdrawls ?
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Old 04-05-2015, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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This is just like when the Government issued those several thousand dollar checks to low income people some years ago. Most of them went out and bought rims for their cars !

Priorities, ya know !


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Old 04-05-2015, 03:51 PM
 
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On the contrary - because he's buying his restaurant's food with food stamps, his restaurant is making more profit...
You're not making sense.

If you own a restaurant, there must be food on hand and it is perishable.

Just because he needs to buy groceries doesn't mean that is because the others were used thus he made a profit
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