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I have to laugh at the selective rules people make here.......any U.S. CITIZEN that get federal aid and don't pay federal income tax should not be part of the U.S.,,,,,UNLESS you are an "AMERICAN" (I don't know the definition but I'm guessing WHITE)..
No, this has nothing to do with race. Most Puerto-Ricans are as white as they come. They are of European descent, NOT PEOPLE OF COLOR of any kind.
When Puerto Rico became part of the United States, one of the privileges they have always enjoyed, in addition to rights of citizenship, is the privilege of legal whiteness. In the era of racial segregation, and institutionalized racism, they, like the majority of Cubans and Mexicans, were white. The ridiculous "hispanic" concept that was invented in the 80's blinds people to this fact.
Sorry, but no. Puerto Ricans have no legitimate claim to "victim-hood". They are not being held captive, they are not being exploited, and they have never been discriminated against because of their race.
If Puerto Rico ever became a state. Not only would it be the poorest, most welfare dependent state in the union, it would also be one of the whitest (at 85-90%). It'd be like a spanish speaking West Virginia.
No, this has nothing to do with race. Most Puerto-Ricans are as white as they come. They are of European descent, NOT PEOPLE OF COLOR of any kind.
When Puerto Rico became part of the United States, one of the privileges they have always enjoyed, in addition to rights of citizenship, is the privilege of legal whiteness. In the era of racial segregation, and institutionalized racism, they, like the majority of Cubans and Mexicans, were white. The ridiculous "hispanic" concept that was invented in the 80's blinds people to this fact.
Sorry, but no. Puerto Ricans no have legitimate claim to "victim-hood". They are not being held captive, they are not being exploited, and they have never been discriminated against because of their race.
If Puerto Rico ever became a state. Not only would it be the poorest, most welfare dependent state in the union, it would also be one of the whitest (at 85-90%). It'd be like a spanish speaking West Virginia.
1) legal whiteness????? LMAO!!!.....Maybe you need to take a trip to Puerto Rico and drive around the island. The "white skin" Puerto Ricans are NOT the majority. Most of Puerto Ricans are a mix of European, Native and Black.....I hardly call that "ANGLO WHITE"
2) By the way, the only countries in Latin America that most are majority European White are Argentina, Uruguay and Chile because most of the Europeans that immigrated there didn't mix with the native Indians or didn't have black slaves in large % like in the Caribbean Islands.
3) I never said Puerto Ricans are being exploited or are victims.......compare to Dominican Republic, Haiti, Cuba and Venezuela, Puerto Rico is doing pretty well, not as good as being a U.S. STATE but better than those Republics....the Puerto Ricans that use that argument are in the minority 3%.
4) your history is very flawed!!! most of the 37 territories that are states TODAY were poor under today's standards. That's the reason they wanted statehood for federal representation and political power at the federal level which territories don't have.....if we use your standards of "POOR" territory to join the Union then most of the states today would have never been accepted in the Union.
5) Where in the U.S. constitution it states that only "rich" territories can only be accepted in the Union?.....it doesn't. so your selective rule only to Puerto Rico only shows your lack of U.S. History........most of the territories in the West of the U.S. were poor under today's standards before they became state from the Mormons in UTAH, Idaho, Wyoming, New Mexico since most of it was desert and hardly any population......that's just to name a few states........after the Civil War, most of states in the south were BROKE and poor and they were kept in the Union as a state.
6) In a 50 state union there are states that are going to have a rich economy and others states that are at the bottom, that's the way it is since not all states should be the same and always some states will be at the top and others at the bottom but they all have representation since all federal laws apply to states and territories....the difference is U.S. CITIZENS living in U.S. territories don't have direct representation even though the have to obey all federal laws and fight for our country.....those are the facts.
7) All 37 territories that are states today, their economies went up and improved drastically since they were territories from Hawaii to Utah......obviously Puerto Rico's economy would change for the better as a state just like the others 37 territories have.
Yes. In segregated America, Puerto Ricans were legallywhite. 90% of them. If you are not aware of that, look it up, or ask anybody that's old enough to remember. They didn't become "minorities" until the 80's when the sham hispanic/latino ethnic category was made up. They have also always identified as white, and still do, check the census stats.
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3) I never said Puerto Ricans are being exploited or are victims..
That's what you were implying when you brought up race. That's the defense that most of today's "hispanics" fall back on in any argument. Pretending to be victims of white racism, when they themselves are white, and have historically had the privileges of whiteness.
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All 37 territories that are states today, their economies went up and improved drastically since they were territories from Hawaii to Utah......obviously Puerto Rico's economy would change for the better as a state just like the others 37 territories have.
..but puerto ricans don't wan't that either. They don't want to assume the responsibilities of statehood, (i.e paying the federal income tax), and they're too weak to support themselves alone. They want to remain a parasite. They should be made to choose. Either become a state, or be independent.
but puerto ricans don't wan't that either. They don't want to assume the responsibilities of statehood, (i.e paying the federal income tax), and they're too weak to support themselves alone. They want to remain a parasite. They should be made to choose. Either become a state, or be independent.
Guess what? Puerto Ricans voted for statehood in 2012 ... and they will vote for it again by even larger numbers whenever the federally sanctioned referendum is held.
It's not quite as simple as "they don't want statehood". The problem is that the aforementioned pro-territory party has spent the past 60+ years claiming that Puerto Rico can have the same benefits of statehood within the existing territorial status, or as they call it the "enhanced commonweath"/"ELA Mejorado". This is basically what happened with the Charter of Autonomy in 1897 ... the benefits of being a Spanish province without actually becoming a province. It's no surprise that the same people behind this scheme eventually evolved into today's PPD via the Unionist Party.
And then we have all the big business corporations who benefit from the tax breaks provided by the existing territorial status.
This is why it is important for Congress to hold a binding referendum on statehood vs independence without the silly colonial schemes from the PPD. No blank ballots allowed. No ELA this or ELA that. No "none of the above". Just statehood vs independence, and Congress will have to commit to statehood beforehand if this is to be taken seriously.
Yes. In segregated America, Puerto Ricans were legallywhite. 90% of them. If you are not aware of that, look it up, or ask anybody that's old enough to remember. They didn't become "minorities" until the 80's when the sham hispanic/latino ethnic category was made up. They have also always identified as white, and still do, check the census stats.
segregation in America was different depending of the region/state.....you had racial segregation mostly in the south and class segregation, that's were the poor Puerto Ricans went to in the inner cities up North.
No they don't! In the 2010 census question is: Person 1 of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin? (checkboxes for: "No", and several for "Yes" which specify groups of countries)
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That's what you were implying when you brought up race. That's the defense that most of today's "hispanics" fall back on in any argument.
you got me confused with somebody else here. I never brought up race. I was just making a few points to the topic of race that was thrown in here.
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..but puerto ricans don't wan't that either. They don't want to assume the responsibilities of statehood, (i.e paying the federal income tax), and they're too weak to support themselves alone. They want to remain a parasite. They should be made to choose. Either become a state, or be independent.
parasites????? so you mean all U.S. CITIZENS living in U.S. territories are parasites?.......you sound very ignorant. If congress wants to impose federal income tax in their territories they have the power, Congress doesn't have to wait to become a state, the problem is the tax credits and EIC wouldn't favor the I.R.S. since U.S. territories have a lower economy than the 50 states. That's why congress collects taxes from territories in different ways and you have no clue about......if Cuba, R.D. and Haiti can survive so can Puerto Rico. Don't act here that Puerto Ricans wouldn't survive. They will find a way just like any 3rd world country does it. They have survived for over 400 years under bad conditions.
The political status of Puerto Rico remaining a U.S. territory or becoming a state is between the U.S. CITIZENS who are residents in Puerto Rico and U.S. CONGRESS.....If they remain a U.S. territory is still legal under the constitution and nothing changes and if they become a state the same. They will always be U.S. CITIZENS it doesn't matter if it remains a territory or becomes a state.
Independence is out of the question.....97% of Puerto Ricans don't want it and the U.S. government is not in the business of giving REAL ESTATE away.
unless you are a resident of Puerto Rico or are in Congress, your opinions means shi@t here. Worry about the state you live in and the residents who don't pay any federal income tax. Which according to the I.R.S is close to 50%.....should we stripped the American citizenship of them too?
tell you what, lets round up every low income/ poor American who is on welfare, government assistance, that don't pay federal income tax that includes the millions of Americans who work hard but don't earn enough to pay federal income tax and get money back on the EARNED INCOME CREDIT and Child Tax credit but give to the economy by working and spending..according to you they are all PARASITES! ....Lets strip them of their American Citizenship because according to your rules, only Americans that work and earn enough are entitled to be U.S. CITIZENS.
Lets get rid of all the government assistance.....lets see how many states and how many Americans can support themselves....we would have riots and a revolution in the streets.
Democrats, would any of you care to clarify your position on this?
From the link:
According to a new audit by the Office of Inspector General (OIG), the agency is misapplying rules that are intended to provide financial assistance to individuals who are illiterate or cannot speak English in the United States.
It's good that the Obama administration auditors found this and are putting a stop to it.
May have been receiving, the article points out that there is no way to keep track of this, but it does point out a big loophole that would be easy to correct with an amendment to the law.
Obammie got rid of law. Hell, we are in a free-for-all! Whatever Obammie says goes !
Sorry you are totally wrong! A person born in PR is just as much a natural born citizen as one born in Texas. Look it up:
and I quote "For Puerto Rico, all persons born in Puerto Rico between April 11, 1899, and January 12, 1941, are automatically conferred citizenship as of the date the law was signed by the President (June 27, 1952). Additionally, all persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, are natural-born citizens of the United States.
Translation: if you were born in PR after Jan 13, 1941, you are considered a natural born citizen, and therefore are constitutionally eligible to run for the office of President of the US (so long as you meet the other Constitutional eligibility requirements). "
In addition, most Puerto Ricans can and do speak English even though Spanish is the official language. There is a higher percentage of Puerto Ricans who have served our country in the military than any state in the nation.
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