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It was a flat out rejection and I already quoted how the heads of Arab states said there will be no negotiations with Israel. They rejected Israel not returning the territory in total as their interpretation of the resolution was the Israel should do so. Israel believes that there should be ongoing negotiations. This turned in to Israel maintaining occupation and settling civilians on Palestinian Occupied Territory, which is completely illegal under the 4th Geneva Convention.
Regardless of what they did not see themselves doesn't change what was offered to them which was the majority of what was asked. No one is going to give 100% of everything someone wants. I don't think the terms are the majority of what they asked for. They wanted a viable and independent Palestinian State and under the terms of the agreement, that would not happen due to the remaining Settlements.
This doesn't change that they were offered the majority of what they wanted. It also doesn't change how they flat said no and walked away. Refer to above.
Everything in the article was correct. Here you go again with your Zionist rant. The Arab refugees left for many reasons including the main reason of them thinking Israel would be Jew free for them. We had this talk before and you still try to make this claim. And here we have a Zionist Historian claiming that they did force the Palestinian population to flee and yet you're still somehow claiming that they didn't? Hmm...
They flat out rejected Israel and said there would be no negotiations with Israel. Notice how you conveniently keep ignoring that part. Hmmm
Secondly they were getting a viable and independent Palestinian State. They just wanted it all on their terms as always. It's their way or the highway. When someone flat out say no and walk out then you know they weren't serious in the first place.
Lastly I said the Arab refugees left for many reasons including the belief that Israel would be Jew free. Notice how again you have selective reading. Hmm
News articles from the Web allege that Malik Obama, the half brother of President Barack Obama, has been photographed in a Hamas scarf that boasts ‘Jerusalem is ours – We are coming.’
Obama is a user, he stands with no one. Main objective, deliver a political agenda at all cost.
And I think you need to review some basic UN Definitions... The UN General Assembly clearly cites the West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza Strip as Occupied Palestinian Territories and labels the settlements of Israeli civilians in such territories as illegal under the fourth Geneva Convention... A/RES/67/120 of 14 January 2013
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Just a bit of recent history:
Egypt and Jordan occupied Gaza and the West Bank for almost 20 years. Yet there were no protests. There was NEVER a call for a Palestinian state. There was NEVER a mention of a "Palestinian People". That term was invented later by Arafat's gang in the late 70's. There was no "occupied Palestinian territory".
The only sovereign states to ever exist in "Palestine" were Jewish states.
The Palestinian Arabs don’t want a secure state of Israel, current polls and the election of Hamas attest to that. No PA leader is willing to utter the phrase “two states for two peoples”. Why?
Again the West Bank & Gaza were occupied from Jordan & Egypt and Jordan & Egypt grabbed these territories after England left the area. As stated above why didn't the Palestinians demand those territories from Jordan & Egypt between 1949-1967 when they were occupied by those countries?
As for the Golan Heights, Israel captured this territory in a war with Syria. So why exactly would this area be considered a Palestinian occupied territory?
Before 1948, the term Palestinian people usually referred to the Jewish people who lived under the British Mandate of Palestine. So occupied Palestinian territories is a misleading term in general.
They flat out rejected Israel and said there would be no negotiations with Israel. Notice how you conveniently keep ignoring that part. Hmmm Yes...no negotiations. That was their interpretation of the resolution, Israel was to leave the territories they occupied after the war. It's very simple.
Secondly they were getting a viable and independent Palestinian State. They just wanted it all on their terms as always. It's their way or the highway. Settlements which inhibit travel within one's "State" to the point of bi-furcating the land mass is not a viable or independent.
Lastly I said the Arab refugees left for many reasons including the belief that Israel would be Jew free. Notice how again you have selective reading. Hmm I'm quoting the reasoning for the Palestinian Exodus by a Zionist Israel historian. I'm only selecting what his conclusion is.
The no. 1 myth is the labeling of “settlements” as the primary obstacle to peace. The true barrier is the same one it has always been : the so-called “right of return” – and the Palestinian’s refusal to recognize Israel’s right to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people. The Arabs waged war on Israel DECADES BEFORE there was a single “settlement”. How do you explain that in the context of your claim that "settlements is the #1 obstacle to a solution", PDX???
For almost all of Israel's existence before 2001, the left dominated the government. Why did it change? The leftist government offered Arafat virtually EVERYTHING the Palestinian Authority demanded. Arafat's response was to launch the worst wave of terrorism in Israel's history. That destroyed the left. Olmert went even further in 2008. Abbas simply walked away.
Until the "moderate" Palestinians stop glorifying "martyrs" of terror and mass murder, and stop their media, schools, and mosques from educating their people to hate, the people of Israel will continue to believe there is no true partner for peace. The "Palestinians" have never made a single major concession, and don't intend to do so. That's why they're seeking to impose s "solution" on totally their terms. No negotiations. No peace.
The “moderate” PA does not even include the state of Israel on their maps, for heaven's sake!
Just a bit of recent history:
Egypt and Jordan occupied Gaza and the West Bank for almost 20 years. Yet there were no protests. There was NEVER a call for a Palestinian state. There was NEVER a mention of a "Palestinian People". That term was invented later by Arafat's gang in the late 70's. There was no "occupied Palestinian territory".
The only sovereign states to ever exist in "Palestine" were Jewish states.
The Palestinian Arabs don’t want a secure state of Israel, current polls and the election of Hamas attest to that. No PA leader is willing to utter the phrase “two states for two peoples”. Why?
And an imposed "peace", apparently the next great Obama misstep, will bring no peace at all. It will only harden the PA's adamant stance even further, and kill any chance for negotiations. No Israeli government, either of the left or of the right, will accept the imposition of a Palestinian state without taking Israel's vital interests into account. Even a negotiated "peace" agreement with Abbas (as remote as that is, given the refusal of the PA to make any significant concessions) will be exactly that and that only - just an agreement but no peace. There will be continuing war with Hamas, Hezbullah and the other Iranian proxies, and the millions upon millions of Islamic extremists in the Arab and Muslim world. Abbas does not even represent a majority of the Palestinian Arabs who want Israel gone totally. An Abbas agreement will result in major and irrevocable Israeli concessions for nothing.
I'm sad that these Hamas sycophants are not responding to your post. Guess the truth is too much to handle.
Again the West Bank & Gaza were occupied from Jordan & Egypt and Jordan & Egypt grabbed these territories after England left the area. As stated above why didn't the Palestinians demand those territories from Jordan & Egypt between 1949-1967 when they were occupied by those countries? The treatment of them was different, specifically in regards to Jordan. Jordan gave the Palestinians whom wanted one, full citizenship as Jordanians. Also there is a practical matter here whereby Palestinian whom were forcibly removed by Israeli expulsions in 1948 were more apathetic and open to other occupying forces than the Israeli one.
As for the Golan Heights, Israel captured this territory in a war with Syria. So why exactly would this area be considered a Palestinian occupied territory? I noted this correction previously in the thread, *Syrian Occupied Territory.
Before 1948, the term Palestinian people usually referred to the Jewish people who lived under the British Mandate of Palestine. So occupied Palestinian territories is a misleading term in general. Ok this is just wrong. The British never referred to Jews living under the British Mandate of Palestine as Palestinians. They had three classes that they would collect population data from, "Jews", "Arab Muslims" and "Arab Christians". The Jewish population was rather insignificant (approximately 4% of the total poplation in 1850) up until the Balfour declaration and subsequent migrations to Palestine by Jews from around the world. JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie By 1948 the Jewish population made up about 38% of the total.
Bolded."Yes...no negotiations. That was their interpretation of the resolution, Israel was to leave the territories they occupied after the war. It's very simple."
Their interpretation was wrong and the fact they made up their own saying no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country speaks volumes. You can make excuses all you like but it won't change how they blatantly said no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it.
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Settlements which inhibit travel within one's "State" to the point of bi-furcating the land mass is not a viable or independent
Again they were getting a viable and independent Palestinian State and wanted everything on its terms. He wanted all or nothing. The fact he said no and walked out said it all. Even fellow Arabs told him how foolish he was for doing such a thing. Anyone serious would counter, not say no and walk out like a child.
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I'm quoting the reasoning for the Palestinian Exodus by a Zionist Israel historian. I'm only selecting what his conclusion is.
You did more than that. You also tried to dispute all the reasons why Arab left and instead try to put 100% blame on Israel with zero facts. Still want to be in denial?
In this interview, an elderly Arab resident of a refugee camp, recounts the reason his family left Israel during the war and became refugees:
"This picture was taken a week before we left Ein-Kerem [near Jerusalem] in June 1948, in front of our house. The radio stations of the Arab regimes kept repeating to us: "Get away from the battle lines. It's a matter of ten days or two weeks at the most, and we'll bring you back to Ein-Kerem." And we said to ourselves, "That's a very long time. What is this? Two weeks? That's a lot!" That's what we thought [then]. And now 50 years have gone by." [PA TV (Fatah), July 7, 2009
The Jewish population was rather insignificant (approximately 4% of the total poplation in 1850) up until the Balfour declaration and subsequent migrations to Palestine by Jews from around the world
You keep making this false narrative with no supporting evidence. I told you in the other thread to prove it and don't use that one report that made a guess. You just love making up false things and think no one will question you on it.
Their interpretation was wrong and the fact they made up their own saying no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country speaks volumes. You can make excuses all you like but it won't change how they blatantly said no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it.
Again they were getting a viable and independent Palestinian State and wanted everything on its terms. He wanted all or nothing. The fact he said no and walked out said it all. Even fellow Arabs told him how foolish he was for doing such a thing. Anyone serious would counter, not say no and walk out like a child.
You did more than that. You also tried to dispute all the reasons why Arab left and instead try to put 100% blame on Israel with zero facts. Still want to be in denial?
In this interview, an elderly Arab resident of a refugee camp, recounts the reason his family left Israel during the war and became refugees:
"This picture was taken a week before we left Ein-Kerem [near Jerusalem] in June 1948, in front of our house. The radio stations of the Arab regimes kept repeating to us: "Get away from the battle lines. It's a matter of ten days or two weeks at the most, and we'll bring you back to Ein-Kerem." And we said to ourselves, "That's a very long time. What is this? Two weeks? That's a lot!" That's what we thought [then]. And now 50 years have gone by." [PA TV (Fatah), July 7, 2009
You can't say that their interpretation was "wrong". That is just stupidity. Several countries agreed with them including France, India, the USSR, and Argentina...with Israel's most staunch ally, the US, being silent on the matter. That is very telling.
Your second piece about an Arab family leaving a war zone because the Arab States said they would be able to return to their homes after the fighting....yes they should have been allowed to return to their homes, they're civilians, but they weren't. They were barred from doing so and placed in refugee camps... I wonder by whom?
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