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Right-wingers desperately want to erase Bush from existence, but it's not going to happen. He spent months selling the Iraq invasion to Congress and the American people but... it's everyone else's fault for the predictably disastrous results.
again... you are leaving the context out.
every democrat in the senate voted for the war. They had access to the exact same intel that the president had. they thought it was the right thing to do.
I (the right winger in this thread you cant seem to understand) certainly DO NOT want to erase Bush from existence. I love the guy. He (unlike hussain Obama... see how I did that?) actually kept us safe, called Islamic extremists..."Islamic extremists" and didn't call terrorism "workplace violence"
Good guy that GWB... had we followed his plan there would be no ISIS and Iraq would be a stable bulwark against Iran and a great ally in the war on terror.
in fact, my POINT here is to say GEORGE W BUSH WAS RIGHT.
1. one of the great things about being a person with a general awareness of history I can see words that are full of ____. here is a fact about the "stupidness" of Bushs invasion of Iraq. the VAST majority of both republicans and democrats (including Hillary) VOTE FOR THE INVASION
The difference is that the republicans, once committed recognized the need to stay long enough to get to security (PS WE ARE STILL IN GERMANY AND JAPAN).
Democrats however, upon smelling electoral victories abandoned sound policy, sought instead to abandon reality. BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED and now we have left Iraq and idiot moron college kids think George Bush created ISIS....why? because they like democrats don't care about learning the lessons of history...democrats for political reasons idiot college kids because they are idiots being edumacated by evil prog-activist-professors.
2. Saddam was a good leader? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU HE HAD RAPE ROOMS!!!!RAPE ROOMS DUDE!!!! The "good leader" in fact would take the innocent daughters of people who spoke out against him, put them in a room with a mirror, put the poor girls parents on the other side of the window then have his men go in and rape the girl repeatedly THAT IS HIS FREAKING LEADERSHIP.
1. The United States create ISIS. Blaming one person would be unfair to the individual in question, be it Bush or Obama. Even if we were to just peg it on a president, both are equally responsible.
And yes, both sides agreed to invade Iraq. I stand by what I said, we were the bad guys in this war. We've made the world worse by getting involved in something that we should not have been involved in. Without Saddam, ISIS could thrive. Under Saddam, they couldn't. Sure, we could invade and stay there, but why waste the money? Saddam was doing it for us.
2. I said Saddam wasn't a good guy. Rape rooms are wrong, but sorry, his position was bigger than that. Not trying to be insensitive, but are you actually claiming that's why we invaded? Because that's a poor use of military power. Yes, Saddam did plenty of bad things but let's not pretend everything he did was evil. ISIS is far worse than Saddam ever could have been.
No Iraq sank because we couldn't stop the sectarian violence from when we first invaded Iraq.
The conservative solution was to just stay in Iraq forever.
This was untenable and stupid thinking just like the initial decision to invade Iraq.
GWBush had every incentive to get us out of Iraq.
Remember they said we'd be out of there in a few months. Yet it dragged on for years. Why?
It's because we couldn't stop the sectarian violence, we couldn't control all the radicals who were drawn to Iraq, which spawned ISIL.
Again, history will show that the people who cheered us into the Iraq war were wrong about everything.
And the opponents of the war were right.
Bush was an idiot for invading Iraq, even though Iraq was no threat to the U.S., and a bigger idiot for thinking that a democratic inclusive government between three factions that hate each other would work.
The U.S. should leave Iraq, Afghanistan, stop intervening in the Middle East in conflicts that are not the business of the U.S., and dump all those countries over there (including plenty of tyrannies). There is nothing in the Middle East worth the life of an American.
Maybe it would be better to compare it to lbj's blunder in Vietnam?
Sure, and Nixon added to the blunder, at the expense of +20,000 additional US fatalities. He also brought the war to Cambodia, which did wonders for that region, let me tell ya. All so he could sign off on the exact same agreement that was on the table in 1969.
Did you want Obama to use similar approach in Iraq?
Given that a significant chunk of libertarians and conservatives opposed going, that means that only a small fraction of liberals/Democrats opposed the war when it mattered, which was BEFORE we went. Instead they supported the war going in, and then when things went sour, pulled their support as they saw an opportunity to make partisan hay against Bush and the Republicans.
What does a poll have to do with anything?
The public was lied to, told Sadamm had weapons of mass destruction and was going to give those weapons to terrorists.
But Democrats in the Congress(House and Senate) when you combine their total votes the majority of elected Democrats in Congress voted against the war.
So no, it was conservatives who were the ones lying and then cheering us in to the disastrous war in Iraq.
In terms of a link, I don't have one.
You can look it up or not I don't care.
But the opponents of the Iraq War predicted, civil War, predicted Iran getting stronger, predicted destabilization of the region, and predicted drawing radicals into Iraq where none existed, which would lead to the creation of terrorist groups like ISIL.
conservatives who cheered yes into the war and who are still defending their idiotic choice were wrong about everything.
No Iraq sank because we couldn't stop the sectarian violence from when we first invaded Iraq.
The conservative solution was to just stay in Iraq forever.
This was untenable and stupid thinking just like the initial decision to invade Iraq.
GWBush had every incentive to get us out of Iraq.
Remember they said we'd be out of there in a few months. Yet it dragged on for years. Why?
It's because we couldn't stop the sectarian violence, we couldn't control all the radicals who were drawn to Iraq, which spawned ISIL.
Again, history will show that the people who cheered us into the Iraq war were wrong about everything.
And the opponents of the war were right.
wrong. on every point here.
Bush said we would stay "until the job was done" that's an actual quote.
we very much could have handled the issue. it might have led to multiple nations and it might have taken time. but I remind you again and again WE ARE STILL IN GERMANY AND JAPAN. and South Korea for that matter.
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Not so fast...
