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Old 06-07-2015, 10:41 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yeah but the Obama regime and the Democrats and the Obamabots all said the premiums were going to go down. They knew better, except for the useful idiots, so it was a cold blooded, deliberate lie.
Yep, there is that.
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Old 06-07-2015, 10:42 AM
 
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Insurance CEO's are very content with the ACA. What a sweetheart deal they got.
Don't try to lay this off on the insurance companies. Every bit of it belongs to Obama and the Democrats.
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Old 06-07-2015, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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And death panels didn't exist in the US already pre-Obamacare?

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Are death panels operating in America's healthcare system?

MUCH as I agree with the politics of the other answers they are wrong

Of course there are death panels, and there have been for decades

Every time an insurance company cuts some one of for hitting a spending limit or lifetime cap = That is a death panel

Every time an insurance company refuses to pay for av drug that a Dr wants to provide, that is a death panel

Every time an insurance company cancels a policy because someone did not pay their premium, that is a death panel

The difference is that death panels in other countries are based on medical logic, not on how much money you pay
The only difference is that "free market" isn't doing this and instead it is the government. I don't like both options to be quite honest but we'd still have death panels if we had to pay for it out of pocket, it's called not being able to pay for the bill.
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Old 06-07-2015, 10:46 AM
 
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Don't know how many times, but the warnings are pretty much meaningless.

Healthcare premiums have gone up every year since the 70s. Blame the health insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry.
right because the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry sets the regulations they have to live by. big government is a big problem here. we did not need 2700 pages of law, and 21,000 pages of regulations to get the things obamacare did done. a few simple laws would have allowed everyone to keep their health insurance, maintain their old deductibles, keep their doctors, and still have made it easier for those with pre existing conditions to get health insurance at reasonable rates.

but NOOOOO the liberals had to have their insurance law called the affordable care act, which is a lie because it is not affordable. in order to get monthly rates down to where people could afford to buy insurance, the deductibles had to go through the roof. before obamacare, most people had a maximum deductible of $2500, most were well below that. today however the average deductible is closer to $6000 for the average person with some plans having as much as $12,000 before the insurance kicks in. some affordability there. good job liberals.
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Old 06-07-2015, 10:46 AM
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Does the progressive left know that "useful idiots" was coined by V. I. Lenin to describe his followers?
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Old 06-07-2015, 10:48 AM
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right because the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry sets the regulations they have to live by. big government is a big problem here. we did not need 2700 pages of law, and 21,000 pages of regulations to get the things obamacare did done. a few simple laws would have allowed everyone to keep their health insurance, maintain their old deductibles, keep their doctors, and still have made it easier for those with pre existing conditions to get health insurance at reasonable rates.

but NOOOOO the liberals had to have their insurance law called the affordable care act, which is a lie because it is not affordable. in order to get monthly rates down to where people could afford to buy insurance, the deductibles had to go through the roof. before obamacare, most people had a maximum deductible of $2500, most were well below that. today however the average deductible is closer to $6000 for the average person with some plans having as much as $12,000 before the insurance kicks in. some affordability there. good job liberals.
The most predictable part is that premiums would also climb into low earth orbit, under ACA 2010. And they are.
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Old 06-07-2015, 10:51 AM
 
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The most predictable part is that premiums would go into low earth orbit, under ACA 2010. And they are.
true, but the liberals want to blame everyone but the government, when its the government that caused the problem in the first place.
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Old 06-07-2015, 10:52 AM
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true, but the liberals want to blame everyone but the government, when its the government that caused the problem in the first place.
The leftists created a guaranteed income stream for the medical mafia.

The ability to raise prices and have the payments on them guaranteed by mandating insurance against the price rises never existed until the progressive left made it law.
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Old 06-07-2015, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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We are only seeing the beginning of increases with the ACA and there is a good chance that deductibles and copay's will increase even further as well. If you think universal health care is going to be chump change out of your income, then think again. It will be very costly and no-one will be exempted. Everyone will have it automatically deducted. There were a lot of things that could have been done to have corrected the market with what we originally had, but progressives found instead a way to fleece America and did so, irrespective of the damage it has and will do in the future.
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Old 06-07-2015, 11:26 AM
 
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Even more are getting needed care that was out of reach for them before this. There has been good and bad. But now we have tried the conservative-authored plan and it has not met our expectations, it is high time that we go about getting tax-funded national health insurance in place. We are a good 100 years behind the rest of the world on this.


Don't try to stick the blame for this on anyone other than those that voted it into (bad) Law.
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