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Old 06-08-2015, 01:41 PM
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Did you find a source for these numbers, or are you still misreading the CBO report?



So far, premiums are going up more slowly than they were pre-ACA, so overall the bill is functioning effectively on cost containment.
That's simply not true. Nine years after MA's own 2006 "reform" law:

_"Health insurers still seek steep premium increases"_
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nat...HLK/story.html

Leftists guarantee medical-mafia payments (by profligate users encouraged to seek 'care') by mandating that all individuals have to buy insurance policies in the absence of cost control, what does the public think is going to happen?
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:47 PM
 
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The biggest users of ERs are medicaid people.
You expand medicaid and logic tells you that ER use by medicaid people will INCREASE, not decrease.

In fact ER visits by medicaid people increased 40% during 18 months following expanded medicaid.


Study: ER Visits Increase 40 Percent With Expanded Medicaid - US News
Yep. It was predictable, wasn't it?
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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Did you find a source for these numbers, or are you still misreading the CBO report?
its not I who are lying about the numbers
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It's ironic that many of the hospitals in the states that refused to expand their medicaid program under the ACA are bordering on bankruptcy. They and the state are footing the bills for those who use their facilities and have no money instead of the Fed.. Something R. Reagan made mandatory.
If hospitals are bordering on bankruptcy due to the refusal to expand Medicaid, then this means the administration LIED and by claiming we taxpayers were footing the bill originally for the uninsured.

Your posting contradicts itself, especially given the uninsured numbers havent really dropped.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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It's amazing how incredibly stupid Republicans have gotten, which is shame because the stupid ones overshadow the smart ones.

So lets see.... We pass public/private healthcare reform during Obama's first term modeled after progressive and conservative reforms....

Republicans kick and scream without offering any ideas to improve ACA, try to repeal it as show of dissatisfaction despite there being little chance.of succeeding.....

Republican candidate in 2012 doesn't bring up his successful state healthcare reform that is eerily similar to the federal reform.....

Republicans lose election keep whining and wasting time with repeals and still offering no solutions.

Republicans win midterm and still can't cobble together anything besides more whining and repeals, unsuccessfully.

It seems the republicans don't care about healthcare and the people it affects. When are republicans going to hold their legislators accountable? Do you folks like being treated like fools? Do you like supporting politicians who.just provide lip service.

I'm truly at a loss at how stupid far righties have gotten. No solutions and only complaints. They are pathetically stupid and impotent.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:50 PM
 
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That's simply not true. Nine years after MA's own 2006 "reform" law:

_"Health insurers still seek steep premium increases"_
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nat...HLK/story.html
Er... you're saying the ACA isn't cutting costs, and your proof is that a different law is not cutting costs? That's an interesting tactic.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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No solutions and only complaints. They are pathetically stupid and impotent.
There are no solutions, only trade offs---Thomas Sowell
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:53 PM
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Republicans kick and scream without offering any ideas to improve ACA, try to repeal it as show of dissatisfaction despite there being little chance.of succeeding.....
They don't have to--the old model was superior. Responsible families paid for boo-boos out of pocket while reserving the rare major crisis for catastrophic plans. States ran indigent care pools for Medicaid disqualifiers. The Shriners, St. Jude, Catholic, other charities were still in operation. Self pays are still preferable at any doctor's office counter to health insurance claimants.

And private investment wasn't picking off health systems in salivating anticipation of ACA.

Progressive leftists instead served up a trillion dollar, crony capitalist, wet kiss to the medical mafia.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:55 PM
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Er... you're saying the ACA isn't cutting costs, and your proof is that a different law is not cutting costs? That's an interesting tactic.
It's the same law, just nationalized. Maybe you'll believe a state other than Massachusetts:

_"Some steep increases in health premiums expected in Illinois in 2016"_
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#sectio.../p2p-83676770/
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:59 PM
 
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It's amazing how incredibly stupid Republicans have gotten, which is shame because the stupid ones overshadow the smart ones.

So lets see.... We pass public/private healthcare reform during Obama's first term modeled after progressive and conservative reforms....

Republicans kick and scream without offering any ideas to improve ACA, try to repeal it as show of dissatisfaction despite there being little chance.of succeeding.....

Republican candidate in 2012 doesn't bring up his successful state healthcare reform that is eerily similar to the federal reform.....

Republicans lose election keep whining and wasting time with repeals and still offering no solutions.

Republicans win midterm and still can't cobble together anything besides more whining and repeals, unsuccessfully.

It seems the republicans don't care about healthcare and the people it affects. When are republicans going to hold their legislators accountable? Do you folks like being treated like fools? Do you like supporting politicians who.just provide lip service.

I'm truly at a loss at how stupid far righties have gotten. No solutions and only complaints. They are pathetically stupid and impotent.
oh please.. its Democrats who ran around telling us we needed to pass ACA in order to insure EVERY american, drop the cost $2500 per family, get more people PAYING, it'll create surpluses etc..

It doesnt do ANYTHING promised to do. And Democrats applaud..
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Old 06-08-2015, 02:02 PM
 
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Er... you're saying the ACA isn't cutting costs, and your proof is that a different law is not cutting costs? That's an interesting tactic.
If the costs are being cut, then why are the subsidies going to skyrocket by over 50% in the next decade?

Yeah, the same CBO report YOU keep misreading..
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