Medicaid-expanding states underestimated the demand. Now they can't find the money to pay for it. (health care, Murray)

[greywar]

Originally Posted by pghquest

oh please.. its Democrats who ran around telling us we needed to pass ACA in order to insure EVERY american, drop the cost $2500 per family, get more people PAYING, it'll create surpluses etc..

It doesnt do ANYTHING promised to do. And Democrats applaud..

So...it hasnt kept kids on their parents plan til age 26?
It hasnt removed pre-existing conditions?

I could go on, it does dozens of things....

[mm4]

Originally Posted by pghquest

oh please.. its Democrats who ran around telling us we needed to pass ACA in order to insure EVERY american, drop the cost $2500 per family, get more people PAYING, it'll create surpluses etc..

It doesnt do ANYTHING promised to do. And Democrats applaud..

The uninsured were dropping in the street gutters. "25,000 dead," one year. When that didn't work then they tried "45,000 dead." Until they got their health insurance, special interests were gingerly stepping over their corpses on the way to work in the mornings.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by greywar

So...it hasnt kept kids on their parents plan til age 26?

Which INCREASES the cost since you are now insuring more people, with less people paying, the exact OPPOSITE of what we were told was needed.

Remember the argument, we needed once again, MORE PEOPLE PAYING..

Originally Posted by greywar

It hasnt removed pre-existing conditions?

No one said anything close to that

Originally Posted by greywar

I could go on, it does dozens of things....

Or you could actually respond to my post rather than just changing the subject.. as always

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by mm4

The uninsured were dropping in the street gutters. "25,000 dead," one year. When that didn't work then they tried "45,000 dead." Until they got their health insurance, special interests were gingerly stepping over their corpses on the way to work in the mornings.

Yep, and now over 30 million still uninsured, and all of a sudden, no one is dying anymore..

Go figure

[earthlyfather]

A; hospitalization costs zero, B only $105 per month, D (varies based on locale and income, but let's say...) 0 to $50 per month. You can't afford $150 per month and you are not eligible for either ACA or Medicaid. Something is not adding up in your story.

Originally Posted by Floorist

I don't. I can't afford Medicare (it's worthless anyway) and I'm not eligible for the ACA or Medicaid.

[FrankMiller]

Originally Posted by mm4

It's the same law, just nationalized. Maybe you'll believe a state other than Massachusetts:

_"Some steep increases in health premiums expected in Illinois in 2016"_
Chicago Tribune

I can't read that article without registering, but increasing premiums under ACA doesn't mean they aren't increasing less than without it.

By the way, are you actually in favor of increasing regulations to curb premium rate hikes, or are you just complaining for its own sake?

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

I can't read that article without registering, but increasing premiums under ACA doesn't mean they aren't increasing less than without it.

By the way, are you actually in favor of increasing regulations to curb premium rate hikes, or are you just complaining for its own sake?

So you are finally admitting, the premiums arent falling as promised they would?

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by greywar

No one said the ACA was perfect. But it IS lowering the rate of uninsured year by year. And its reduced the rate of cost increases, and drastically reformed many parts of our healthcare.

I see you conveniently ignore the facts that less people are uninsured now then before.

So you'de rather go back, and have 45 million people uninsured, and even more under-insured? Good plan

It was 32 million uninsured, NOT 45. And now those that are insured pay a LOT more for that insurance, deductibles are through the roof, and it's costing taxpayers trillions.

You also conveniently ignore the fact that "reducing the rate of cost increases" is still an INCREASE, which was not supposed to happen under ObamaCare.

That kind of drastic reform is going to destroy the best and most innovative healthcare system in history. But hey, we're just like Mexico!

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

Did you find a source for these numbers, or are you still misreading the CBO report?



So far, premiums are going up more slowly than they were pre-ACA, so overall the bill is functioning effectively on cost containment.

The key is deductibles, which libs always ignore.

[PedroMartinez]

We had problems with our medical system before ACA that needed to be fixed.

ACA didn't fix the majority of them, and the ones it did fix were countered by the new ones.

Right now, we just have a system that guarantees profits to the insurance companies.