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Old 06-19-2015, 02:00 AM
 
Location: North America
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Pg 2/2

the vast majority of which were actually American citizens, were rounded up and shipped eventually to internment camps. These consisted of poorly-constructed barracks surrounded by barbed wire, sentry posts and armed guards.

They were put in these camps, not because they had been tried and found guilty of something, but because either they or their parents or ancestors were from Japan and, as such, they were deemed a "threat" to national security. They were also easily identifiable due to their race. There was no similar large-scale roundups of German or Italian-Americans, even though we were also fighting them during World War

Most of the Japanese US Citizins lost there homes and businesses and didn't get them back. There were no reported cases of treason or acts of sabatoge by any japanese in america. Just one of few cases of real racism and other groups benefiting from racist actions of the past. Wonder who got all the homes and land etc?
Mainly because the Japanese actually attacked U.S. soil.. And you are wrong, Germans were also interned in this Country.
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:05 AM
 
Location: North America
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I hate to use the word, but its ignorent to believe the past doesn't effect or contribute to today. No i don't continue to blame the past for today. I just argue it when people try to poo poo the past like its no big deal to justify a political point of view.
The past always affects people. However the degree in which it does is limited by the time that it happened. The policies of Andrew Jackson do not affect modern Native Americans or contribute to their issues. At some point people have to take responsibility for their issues.
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:13 AM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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If you're that poor, how did you ever afford to live in expensive Hawaii?
Lol go read the population of communities in Hawaii. Its pretty eye opening. The poorest of communities are all mostly native hawaiians and locals almost no caucasians, then as you go up to richer communities you find lesser native hawaiians and locals but more caucasians. to the richest community where 34.64% are caucasian and 2.72% is native hawaiian. The consistant state is asians and mix which are consistantly populatted thruout hawaii.

Hawaii also has the highest multi generational famillies under one roof stat in the country at about 10% of the population.
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:22 AM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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The past always affects people. However the degree in which it does is limited by the time that it happened. The policies of Andrew Jackson do not affect modern Native Americans or contribute to their issues. At some point people have to take responsibility for their issues.
Huh how do you figure that my friend? Are you aware today that there are native american tribes that dont know their languages or culture because native american languages or culture was outlawed was outlawed by people like andrew jackson. Did you know that out of the approx 500 native american tribe treaties made with America that approx 480 were not honored. Do you think as a people that if america honored all the treaties that these people would be living better? Not on alot of indian rezs that make the gettos of LA and Detriot look like middle class suburbs?
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:27 AM
 
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Big woop.....

Do us a favor and join us in the 21st century, won't you?

This is why race is still such a huge issue in this country..... because you just can't let go of the grievences of the past.
absolutely right

what happened in the 19th century really has no bearing on today. you cannot take todays attitudes and morals, and apply them to those times.
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:31 AM
 
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Mainly because the Japanese actually attacked U.S. soil.. And you are wrong, Germans were also interned in this Country.
Yes axis POWS were interned in this country. Uhmmm again provide me evidence that german and italian US Citizen were rounded up in masses because they had ancestors who were nazis or italians or didn't have evidence against them for treason etc?
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:44 AM
 
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absolutely right

what happened in the 19th century really has no bearing on today. you cannot take todays attitudes and morals, and apply them to those times.
So the almost 100,000 japanese americans citizens who lost there homes and businesses confiscated during the internment, the next generation of japanese americans didn't suffer from the confiscation? And the non japanese americans who bought everything dirt cheap also there future generations didn't benefit? Am i understanding the logic here?

Ok enough said aloha.
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Old 06-19-2015, 03:13 AM
 
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I was hoping this man was going to be removed from the 20 dollar bill but it looks like Alexander Hamilton will bite the dust... Martin Luther King Jr should be placed on the 20 dollar bill. That would be a slap in the face for everything he stood for...
MLK is already on the $100 Bond Note

In this case the inflation protected savings bond.

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Old 06-19-2015, 04:05 AM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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I would love to build a time machine. But it would be different, and take you back at birth, then allow you to grow up in the time, with all the influences of the time making you part of it. Same you at birth, but grown up in a completely different society.

I really wonder how many of us would speak very differently of times past if we had lived in them and as a part? Remember, you live the prevalaying ideas. If it was that Indians were a nusence in the way then just maybe you'd think that too. Or maybe if you grew up with slavery and were a part of the society which practiced it, you wouldn't feel it was evil. You might not even own any slaves and feel that way.

Go way way back when warfare, starvation and disease was so common you lived day by day since you never really knew.... how different would you be then? If someone you respected said it was the evil influence of some group, sub group or religion... would you get up and argue with them?

I think before we start tearing up people in the times past as 'wrong' and even 'evil' we ought to try my machine first and see if we would be just like them. Or maybe we should have people from our tomorrow talk about us and how awful we are. Perception is 99 percent of what we see and how we see.

We can study people's attitudes and beliefs and how their society molded them and see how that made events go as they did, but can we *really* judge people who grew and formed their idea of their world from that world, not ours?
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Old 06-19-2015, 04:17 AM
 
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Such an evil Nation. I wish Russia and China would invade this evil place and rid the world of its evil inhabitants
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