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After the previous 8 years of rule that was pretty much dominated by Cheney, yes he of a black heart who knew everything there was to know about the success we would quickly enjoy in Iraq, the ensuing 6 years have seen a correction & turnabout into the right direction imho.
Thankfully the warmongers, who always want to send somebody else, somebody else's children & grandchildren to war, are now only in power in Congress.
When asked in an interview about his Viet Nam era 5 deferments from service, Cheney replied, "..I had other priorities at the time." Nuff said!
That's the lazy way out. You need to take personal responsibility for your claims. You want to take a position, you need to defend your position, not tell me that there's information somewhere out there.
Don't make other people do your work for you. Be a real American.
I already have.
The lazy way out is wanting me to do your work because you pretend to not have been here long enough to have seen it. I don't waste my time re-doing the work for someone who is uninterested but pretends to be just for the sake of arguing. It's a waste of my time.
An O-bot who is new with little post history might be able to fool me on that, but not someone with extensive post history.
I already have.
The lazy way out is wanting me to do your work because you pretend to not have been here long enough to have seen it. I don't waste my time re-doing the work for someone who is uninterested but pretends to be just for the sake of arguing. It's a waste of my time.
An O-bot who is new with little post history might be able to fool me on that, but not someone with extensive post history.
No, I'm actually genuinely confused. I gave you data showing an undeniable rise in white racism against blacks. We have well-documented evidence of taxpayer money being used by the government to mistreat and sometimes kill black people at a higher rate than other groups.
I'm sorry you live in such a tribal worldview that you think this is about left versus right. It's simply about right versus wrong.
There are those who want to pretend racism like this doesn't exist, or that racists are victims for being called out, but those who call racism out are not racist. I think that's the biggest mistake a lot of people detached from these matters don't realize.
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How can you say "better choice" burdell? You can't prove a negative. You can't prove that McCain or Romney would have been worse because you simply don't know.
And you can't prove either one would have been better either, eh?
No, I'm actually genuinely confused. I gave you data showing an undeniable rise in white racism against blacks. We have well-documented evidence of taxpayer money being used by the government to mistreat and sometimes kill black people at a higher rate than other groups.
I'm sorry you live in such a tribal worldview that you think this is about left versus right. It's simply about right versus wrong.
There are those who want to pretend racism like this doesn't exist, or that racists are victims for being called out, but those who call racism out are not racist. I think that's the biggest mistake a lot of people detached from these matters don't realize.
Done. End of discussion.
"Tribal" is only looking at one side.
The government also has affirmative action, divides us by race, and uses it to interfere in peoples' lives. Minority-owned small businesses are given an advantage over those that are not.
You don't think many people believe that is all racist as well?
We still have most progressives who deny conservative groups were unfairly targeted by the IRS leading up to the 2012 election.
There's a much bigger picture. Looking at the larger problem instead of just one aspect or group is not being racist or denying racism exists, in many forms.
Do you know how many years out the stimulus money was being spent, that only about 12% of the entire stimulus was spent in 2009? Do you know what that 12% was spent on in 2009? Do you know that almost nothing was spent before June of 2009, when the recession ended?
At the close of fiscal year 2009, agencies reported spending a little under $108 billion in ARRA funds, about 1 percent higher than CBOs initial estimate.
Halfof the 2009 stimulus spending is attributable to two programs: $32 billion for Medicaid and $22 billion for unemployment insurance. A one-time payment to Social Security beneficiaries added another $13 billion; spending for financial assistance to states (from the new State Stabilization Fund) added $12 billion; and direct assistance to college students (mostly for Pell grants) added $7 billion. Together, those five programs account for almost 80 percent of stimulus spending in fiscal year 2009.
So, spending $91 billion out of the total $108 billion of stimulus, in 2009, was spent on Medicaid unemployment insurance, social security, Pell grants, is what you think turned the economy around?
Even on President Obama's absolute worst day, he would be better than either McCain or Romney would be on their absolute best day.
A majority of thinking people are well aware of this.
This is the single most flawed mindset that so many people on the left cling to. You just assume the most vile and nefarious motives of Republicans, create the worst possible scenarios will occur during their presidency.
This way, no matter how bad things are during the actual Obama presidency it does not matter because you have already convinced yourself, thru preconceived illusions and imagined scenarios of doom and gloom, that McCain or Romney would have been even worse.
Except that the reality is that Obama has record levels of debt, almost doubling our national debt, the past six years has been the slowest economic recover in US history, we have a fifty year high in the US poverty level, and it's all fine with you, because you already armored up yourself with the illusion that this crappy reality under Obama is "better than either McCain or Romney would be on their absolute best day."
Perhaps we live in an alternate universe. The universe that I live in had Obama take office in a bleakest economic environment in 80 years. After seven years that economy is completely turned around -- we aren't in boom times, but unemployment is down, GDP is up, stocks are up, etc. Moreover, interest rates are low, so it's easier to buy a house and inflation is low.
In addition, because of Obama's main achievement, the ACA, a record number of people have health insurance and the rates are lower than predicted.
I know the right-wing doesn't want to hear any of this because to them, the Obama years have been a time of policy disaster on every front. Yet the odd thing is that candidates on that GOP stage a few weeks ago, had almost nothing to say about any of the supposed disaster areas.
Trump has nothing much to offer besides bluster. His proposals are either vague or unworkable and there isn't much evidence that he knows the issues. But he talks tough, so the GOP base loves him.
First let me say that at this time I am not a supporter of Donald Trump.
That said, tell me what exactly this administration did that bolstered the economy in any way? The only thing I can see that the administration has done for the economy is to reward companies such as Solyndra for their support during his campaign. Small business is in trouble and small business is what drives this economy.
The ACA did put millions of people on health insurance. Those who benefited most are those who don't have to pay for it. Those who do have to pay for it, lost their existing coverage and received coverage in return that the deductibles are too high to use. So effectively they are paying for coverage that they don't really even have.
Moving right along, shall we talk about our foreign policy?
We are still in Afghanistan and for all intensive purposes we are still in Iraq. Our former allies no longer trust us, and our new allies stab us in the back. What did he promise would be the result of his presidency on the world stage? It simply hasn't come to fruition.
There is much talk about illegal immigration in this country. Now, I can't lay this at the feet of the Obama administration alone, but at the same time, the Obama administration has done nothing to reduce the problem and in fact has made the problem worse.
Now I don't mind you bashing the GOP. I do it myself, but lets be honest about what this administration has done.
"Tribal" is only looking at one side.
The government also has affirmative action, divides us by race, and uses it to interfere in peoples' lives. Minority-owned small businesses are given an advantage over those that are not.
You don't think many people believe that is all racist as well?
We still have most progressives who deny conservative groups were unfairly targeted by the IRS leading up to the 2012 election.
There's a much bigger picture. Looking at the larger problem instead of just one aspect or group is not being racist or denying racism exists, in many forms.
When racism disappears, so too can those programs. I think they should shift to economic focus, myself, if they are to continue. But they exist because centuries of oppression doesn't go away overnight. You know that. The world wasn't fair to them for centuries and now it isn't totally fair to you for a much briefer time as a corrective measure.
And there was no proven targeting of Tea Party groups alone for political reasons. Just some good old fashioned government incompetence.
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