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Tibet by China. Argentina TRIED to steal the Falklands but, England put that country into its place. North Vietnam finally got South Vietnam.
and most recently, Russia - Crimea
and It's not all seized...
All 22 Arab countries were gradually invented by European colonial powers between 1921 and 1972, most of them in and around 1947, and did so by ethnically cleansing indigenous peoples. None of them existed independently before that.
Whenever something benefits the Jews, it's illegal/seized/occupied. But when it's done for Muslims, well - it's expected.
Just like the partition of India to create Pakistan, because Muslims wanted self rule. Meanwhile, there are almost as many Muslims in India than in Pakistan. Gee, that worked out well, for Muslims. Yet again.
"Because except for those years, it was their land. The Romans did not make it a non-Jewish state."
Absurd. By your definition, Christians have "possessed" Syria for the past 1000 years because members of the faith have lived there the entire time (never mind the fact they were outnumbered by Muslims and ruled by Islamic governments). Google 'Jewish Diaspora.'
Debatable. Tibet had been unarguably a part of China for much of its history.
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"Argentina TRIED to steal the Falklands but, England put that country into its place."
Okay, so not an example.
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"North Vietnam finally got South Vietnam."
You mean 'Vietnam' was once again unified after the rebellion of the Western-backed colonial puppet regime known as 'South Vietnam' (as legitimate a "country" as the CSA) was squashed.
Come on, you have to have more/better examples than this, else I'm forced to conclude Israel's conduct is fairly unique (and at least as deserving of condemnation as China re: Tibet, Russia re: Crimea, etc.).
Debatable. Tibet had been unarguably a part of China for much of its history.
Okay, so not an example.
You mean 'Vietnam' was once again unified after the rebellion of the Western-backed colonial puppet regime known as 'South Vietnam' (as legitimate a "country" as the CSA) was squashed.
Come on, you have to have more/better examples than this, else I'm forced to conclude Israel's conduct is fairly unique (and at least as deserving of condemnation as China re: Tibet, Russia re: Crimea, etc.).
It sounds to me I've backed you into a corner and, you have no way out except by changing the rules of this convo. lol
BTW: commies like illegal aliens; they're lowlifes and need to be treated that way.
Debatable. Tibet had been unarguably a part of China for much of its history.
Did Tibetans unarguably want Chinese administration?
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You mean 'Vietnam' was once again unified after the rebellion of the Western-backed colonial puppet regime known as 'South Vietnam' (as legitimate a "country" as the CSA) was squashed.
And a huge exodus of boat people immediately fled. Not many people fleeing into Vietnam.
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Come on, you have to have more/better examples than this, else I'm forced to conclude Israel's conduct is fairly unique (and at least as deserving of condemnation as China re: Tibet, Russia re: Crimea, etc.).
So you're admitting that your problem is not with post-1967 borders but Israel being there at all. Russia's seizure of Crimea, pot-stirring in Georgia and China's current adventurism in the South China Sea are but other examples.
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It sounds to me I've backed you into a corner and, you have no way out except by changing the rules of this convo. lol
No. You're changing the rules. The Central European countries expelled 12 million German speakers in the wake of WW II. And of course the Nazi holocaust. But you don't care unless Jews or other Western interests are the winners rather than the losers.
"Did Tibetans unarguably want Chinese administration?"
There are limits to self-determination. Did the Confederacy want federal administration? Did the Montana Freemen?
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"And a huge exodus of boat people immediately fled. Not many people fleeing into Vietnam."
People tend to flee war zones. And partisans of the Southern government certainly had justification to fear reprisals, but there's a reason they lost: insufficient popular support.
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"So you're admitting that your problem is not with post-1967 borders but Israel being there at all."
You'll have to explain from whence you've erected this strawman.
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"Russia's seizure of Crimea, pot-stirring in Georgia and China's current adventurism in the South China Sea are but other examples."
Lousy examples, but I don't recall supporting any of those things.
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"No. You're changing the rules. The Central European countries expelled 12 million German speakers in the wake of WW II. And of course the Nazi holocaust. But you don't care unless Jews or other Western interests are the winners rather than the losers."
I regard all ethnic cleansing with equal disdain, and I don't grant special dispensation to certain perpetrators.
Who believes a person who says I'm not anti-Semitic, I'm anti-Israel? I sure as hell don't.
And I don't get American Jews who continue to vote for people like Obama who is clearly an enemy of Israel.
As long as the hate is directed to a political entity and not at themselves personally, they are okay with it. Besides, "free" stuff is more important than politics.
God never gave anyone a piece of land big enough to build a doghouse on.
Israel's right to the land is based on their ability to strong-arm, hold, and defend it. A bazillion groups have laid claims to that land since the beginning.
And the day another group can strong-arm it from the israelis, then THEY have a right to it so long as they can hold it.
If there is a god, he gives less than a damn about human quarrels over land. Especially land as crappy as what Israel sits on.
I'd give my "chosen people" better land than that.
But the Jews have it. Why?
How have they held it in the face of all these peoples trying to take it away from them? They're only a small people, much smaller than the Persians, Babylonians or Assyrians. All those empires, and Rome, are ruins living only in museums and college lecture halls. Only Israel is a living presence.
Or in the present day, Israel is much smaller than the Arabs. Yet it is the Arabs' house that is on fire. Their lands are confused and ravaged. They are at war with each other. Why do their nations rage together?
Israel is at peace, secure, flowing with milk and honey. It lives in the valley of the shadow of death yet it fears no evil. It possesses the gates of its enemies.
You might say Israel has been fortunate in its allies. What made it so? Why did Arthur Balfour issue his declaration? It was only 200 odd years before that Jews were readmitted to England. Now England was committing itself to the Jewish homeland.
Why did America choose to defend a small spot of desert land with no oil? When the first Jews sailed to New Amsterdam the Dutch settlers tried to send them back only to find out that Jews were partners in the Dutch East India Company. The time since then wasn't so long ago compared to the Exodus, but it was enough time for the land that tried to turn Jews away to become their best ally.
There might be rational reasons for all this. If so, they have not operated in any other part of the world, where the strong always conquer and the weak always perish. Only with Israel has this law not prevailed.
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